Making the Dutch unattractive for black with 1.Nf3

As a lifelong Dutch player, I've been forced recently to abandon 1.Nf3 f5 because of 2.d3

In this thread, I attempt to demonstrate why 1..f5?! is a borderline inaccuracy. It's not a bad opening by any means for black, but as white, the following lines are annoying. Best of all, for 1.Nf3 players is that there isn't that much theory to know.

2.d3 has been known at the top-level for a while now. White's idea is to go 3.e4 no matter what black does. 

A rather disastrous unsuspecting black players play against 2.d3 is 2..Nf6. This however is already  an inaccurate move.

It's been put forth by Dutch aficionados that 2..Nc6 is a nice antidote against 3.e4 and for the most part, it is true. Black is doing fine here after 4.Nc3 and structures similiar to the following.

Against 2..Nc6, however, white has a couple of options. 

3.d4!? is pretty interesting for white. It's not obvious to me how black should be this setup. 

For now, however, I recommend a different line, with 3.e4 e5 4.d4 transposing to Vienna Gambit with colors reversed (no tempo lost) , which is at least equal, if not better for white. 

As a 1..f5 player myself, I am sad to see the opening become uncomfortable, but I can only do so much to compromise with such a potentially weakening/dynamic move.

I guess I never had to think about this because I would always meet 1 d4 or 1 Nf3 with 1...e6, if I wanted to play a dutch. Of course, I would be willing to play a french too.

I posted the lines I view troublesome. The fact that white has a forced draw in the d3 vienna is ridiculous and the line is Nf3 vienna is pretty comfortable for white.

Yes, 1..e6 is a good move order of course. But this eliminates all play from specializing Leningrad and Anti-Dutch players, which is a good chunk of Dutch players.

1...f5 against anything that is not d4 wont be good. Altho maybe we could make an exception for 1.c4 too.

The dutch is bad anyways, even after 1.d4 f5 my Stockfish goes from 0.20 to 0.40

I learned the French just so I could play the dutch with 1.e6  it so much easier with many of whites hack attack optiuons removed

Nf3 d3 e4 not exactly a refutation of the dutch and something you not likely to meet that often. Maybe instead of giving up the dutch you should do some work on the line instead, it should not be that fearsome

Did you read the title of the thread? Please re-read if you did not. I was very careful with my word choice.

It is by far the most popular anti-dutch with 1.Nf3 too. I have no idea what you are talking about by implying that I won't face it that often. I face it rather often.

I have only faced this once and the game was an interesting draw in which I think I missed some chances to win. Still, I managed to get some Dutch style play.

This looks ok Bellin Williams 2009

 Your 9..Qd7 is a totally normal looking move, but met by a forcing line.

10.Bb5 Ne7  (d5 Bxc6) 11.Ba4 g6 (what else?) 12.O-O Bg7 13.Bg5 O-O (all very natural moves) 14.Rfe1 Be5 (what else?) 15.Qe3, followed by 16.f4, and white is doing well.

The computer likes to be a show-off and offers 15.Rxe5! being its computer-self, but 15.Qe3 is normal. Black's c6 pawn and e7 knight are tied down and perpetually weak. So white should be for choice.

Yes, the game was a while ago but I put it through the analysis and remember being surprised by the 10.Bb5 option for white, it never occurred to me at all in the game. Or luckily to my opponent either I guess, it's a weird looking move. I was also rather sad to see that I had missed the somewhat obvious 38.Rxe3 winning. Still I was quite happy with the game as I thought long and hard about entering the rook and bishop vs queen situation and I got the kind of play I was looking for.

I've been playing around with stockfish and it looks like black is fine in the reversed Vienna gambit if they play 5...Qf6:

The critical line with 6. Nc3:

6. f4:

6. Nxc6: