daniel is the only i can see being a little toxic tho that hasnt happened much but yea alr
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CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
I don't think hes exactly the same anymore. Is he arrogant? Ya but very few of these chessplayers aren't. I'll tell you one thing, Hikaru has bought more people into the world of chess then Fischer and Magnus put together. He is also one of the few that I've seen playing on streams with amateur with chess clubs around the country like one of the boys. I've called him an autistic sociopath myself mainly cause I frown upon speedrunning, but I can't front on how good he is for the sport and I will still say he is a good guy that cares alot about it. Him and Magnus both are very conscious of the people and I feel that.
Who did he bring to chess that COVID, queen's gambit, or pogchamps didn't?
He's been playing online his whole life, but only just now became popular... he just rode the wave.
Me for example.
Now I dislike him even more
I'm just one of millions bud. Again, way more then Fischer and Magnus and every other chess player combined. The guy is literally a pioneer on the internet, he paving the way for the future, and is known and praised all over the world.
I have no strong feelings regarding Hikaru, but saying he brought more people to chess than Fischer and Magnus combined is a bold statement. Any numbers to back it up?
Also I wouldn't say he is a pioneer of internet chess. Do you know who was? Tony Rook! (of whom you have probably never heard...)
Chess players “remember” the same as all of us. Hikaru’s peers remember his brash younger junior days when he insulted and trashed everybody- GM’s to the casual player alike.
He’s never gets invited to the party to this day. - despite the occasional kiss ups and back stroking.
nTzT wrote:
Wow, that first video was really bad. He has actually improved a lot since then. At least he works on himself unlike people here who just try to cause as much drama as they can.
Actually it is very tame in contrast to the X rated stuff he was famous for. Yea… “he works on himself” but a persons character always remains. He does a good job containing his “inner self” - for CC’s poster boy.
@CooloutAC: No, it proves that you are new to chess and that Hikaru is probably just one of the first internet-chess personas you bumped into... It's like discovering reading by reading the novel of a contemporary author, and claiming he/she is a pioneer of novel-writing.
Hikaru is more popular than Magnus? Maybe in the chess.com bubble. But ask around in the rest of the world, I can assure you he is not.
FYI: Tony Rook was probably the first to broadcast chess shows on the internet... about 20 years ago. Long before youtube or twitch existed. That's a pioneer. Jumping on the bandwagon, while very understandable, does not qualify.
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Jenium wrote:
@CooloutAC: No, it proves that you are new to chess and that Hikaru is probably just one of the first internet-chess personas you bumped into... It's like discovering reading by reading the novel of a contemporary author, and claiming he/she is a pioneer of novel-writing.
Hikaru is more popular than Magnus? Maybe in the chess.com bubble. But ask around in the rest of the world, I can assure you he is not.
People all around the world are not ashamed to play speed chess in their clubs because of him.
Right. Before Hikaru showed up, when people wanted to play Blitz they would hide in the basement, close the doors and put cotton on the clocks, so no one would hear them, and feel guilty and dirty afterwards. Oh the shame!
Thanks Hikaru for liberating us!
CooloutAC wrote:
Jenium wrote:
FYI: Tony Rook was probably the first to broadcast chess shows on the internet... about 20 years ago. Long before youtube or twitch existed. That's a pioneer. Jumping on the bandwagon, while very understandable, does not qualify.
How many times have you heard the sentiment that Hikaru is just a "streamer" he is not a real chess player.
Uhm... never? He might have gotten some criticism because he is about to trade his chess career for a streaming career. But everyone respects Hikaru as a strong chess player.
CooloutAC wrote:
Jenium wrote:
FYI: Tony Rook was probably the first to broadcast chess shows on the internet... about 20 years ago. Long before youtube or twitch existed. That's a pioneer. Jumping on the bandwagon, while very understandable, does not qualify.
Well I'm not going to argue that he was not a pioneer my friend. He simply was not as influential as HIkaru,
Well, I agree that he is influential and that he reaches more people. But that might have to do with the fact that chess got very popular during the last two years...
CooloutAC wrote:
Jenium wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Jenium wrote:
@CooloutAC: No, it proves that you are new to chess and that Hikaru is probably just one of the first internet-chess personas you bumped into... It's like discovering reading by reading the novel of a contemporary author, and claiming he/she is a pioneer of novel-writing.
Hikaru is more popular than Magnus? Maybe in the chess.com bubble. But ask around in the rest of the world, I can assure you he is not.
People all around the world are not ashamed to play speed chess in their clubs because of him.
Right. Before Hikaru showed up, when people wanted to play Blitz they would hide in the basement, close the doors and put cotton on the clocks, so no one would hear them, and feel guilty and dirty afterwards. Oh the shame!
Thanks Hikaru for liberating us!
They literally get shamed everyday on these forums. When this is a website where 90% of the people are playing nothing but blitz and bullet. Shameful indeed. Absolutely disgusting and deplorable.
People get ashamed for playing online Blitz?? Everyone is playing online Blitz.
The only argument I've hearedis that having a bullet rating of 1700 on chess.com is quite different from being rated 1700 FIDE.
CooloutAC wrote:
Jenium wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Jenium wrote:
FYI: Tony Rook was probably the first to broadcast chess shows on the internet... about 20 years ago. Long before youtube or twitch existed. That's a pioneer. Jumping on the bandwagon, while very understandable, does not qualify.
How many times have you heard the sentiment that Hikaru is just a "streamer" he is not a real chess player.
Uhm... never? He might have gotten some criticism because he is about to trade his chess career for a streaming career. But everyone respects Hikaru as a strong chess player.
There is no future in OTB classical chess. period. Not as much of a future in OTB chess period.
We will see. As long as cheating is an issue, I don't think that FIDE will change the official mode to online chess.
Jenium wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Jenium wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Jenium wrote:
FYI: Tony Rook was probably the first to broadcast chess shows on the internet... about 20 years ago. Long before youtube or twitch existed. That's a pioneer. Jumping on the bandwagon, while very understandable, does not qualify.
How many times have you heard the sentiment that Hikaru is just a "streamer" he is not a real chess player.
Uhm... never? He might have gotten some criticism because he is about to trade his chess career for a streaming career. But everyone respects Hikaru as a strong chess player.
There is no future in OTB classical chess. period. Not as much of a future in OTB chess period.
We will see. As long as cheating is an issue, I don't think that FIDE will change the official mode to online chess.
This CooloutAC guy is a known troll... just a warning. Don't bother with him.
CooloutAC wrote:
Jenium wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Jenium wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Jenium wrote:
@CooloutAC: No, it proves that you are new to chess and that Hikaru is probably just one of the first internet-chess personas you bumped into... It's like discovering reading by reading the novel of a contemporary author, and claiming he/she is a pioneer of novel-writing.
Hikaru is more popular than Magnus? Maybe in the chess.com bubble. But ask around in the rest of the world, I can assure you he is not.
People all around the world are not ashamed to play speed chess in their clubs because of him.
Right. Before Hikaru showed up, when people wanted to play Blitz they would hide in the basement, close the doors and put cotton on the clocks, so no one would hear them, and feel guilty and dirty afterwards. Oh the shame!
Thanks Hikaru for liberating us!
They literally get shamed everyday on these forums. When this is a website where 90% of the people are playing nothing but blitz and bullet. Shameful indeed. Absolutely disgusting and deplorable.
People get ashamed for playing online Blitz?? Everyone is playing online Blitz.
The only argument I've hearedis that having a bullet rating of 1700 on chess.com is quite different from being rated 1700 FIDE.
Blitz is not even considered real chess by the community of FIDE wannabes. Its shameful, outdated and there is no future in it. There is absolutely no money in it, the only reason to do it is for the prestige and titles.
It has less prestige than classical chess, that is true. But if you haven't noticed, right now there is the Blitz and Rapid WCC. Run by the "community of FIDE wannabes" with $1,000,000 prize money. Not too bad...
Dec 27, 2021
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CooloutAC wrote:
Is he arrogant?
It's not so much his arrogance as his presumptuousness - for example, thinking he can tell other streamers what category to stream in.
As for bringing more people to chess than Fischer, that's flat out insane. Chess would be lagging behind checkers and go in popularity in the West if it weren't for Fisher.
Meanwhile, even the one person you can find that got into chess because of Hikaru - you - says he's "losing interest" after only 3 months. Chess doesn't benefit from fair weather followers like that.
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Dec 27, 2021
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CooloutAC wrote:
psychohist wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Is he arrogant?
It's not so much his arrogance as his presumptuousness - for example, thinking he can tell other streamers what category to stream in.
As for bringing more people to chess than Fischer, that's flat out insane. Chess would be lagging behind checkers and go in popularity in the West if it weren't for Fisher.
Meanwhile, even the one person you can find that got into chess because of Hikaru - you - says he's "losing interest" after only 3 months. Chess doesn't benefit from fair weather followers like that.
I love the botez sisters but he was not wrong. It deprives the other chess streamers and even the professional OTB players from potential sponsorships. It shows how much HIkaru cares about the other chess players making a living.
Its absolutely not insane. We are talking about the age of aquarius. That is not a water spicket, its someone with a roll of wires. This is the digital age. Chess died in America since fischer. All the chess benches built in the parks in the late 60s and early 70s have been empty since before I was born. his influence and revoulutionizing of the game still lives on, but the poupularity increase from him was as short burst that disappeared rapidly. Just like the covid boon is already waning for chess nowadays. I would actually say as far as grandmasters go Vishy Anand will be to historians as having promoted teh most chess bodies over the board then anyone. And I still think its arguable that HIkaru has done more then even Vishy.
I'm losing interest as a player, but as I said I will probably stay a fan for the rest of my life. Just like most sports the fans do not actually play them. :This community of rotten little kids and crybaby adults comes off so snobby and full of superiority complxes that I asked for a refund and don't even like playing on this website anymore. When I do play i'm more likely to play on lichess where the people are a little more mature. You can't blame HIkaru for that, you have to blame people like yourselves.
Hikaru was indeed wrong. The Botez sisters were not streaming to provide other people with a living; they were streaming to provide themselves with a living, and they made the correct decision to make their own stream as popular as possible.
The Botez sisters are at least benefiting the chess world nonetheless, even if they aren't streaming under Hikaru's favored tag. Meanwhile, Hikaru's horrid personality actually damages the reputation of the chess world overall.
As for the rotten kids and snobby adults, they are just emulating Hikaru's rotten, snobby personality. That happens here rather than the other site exactly because Hikaru is here rather than the other site.
Chess fans are basically worthless; chess does not make a good spectator sport, so even if Hikaru is attracting a few isolated spectators, that does nothing for the chess world. Chess benches are a gimmick and have been empty since they were constructed, too, but the entire generation of western players inspired by Fischer stayed around as players for decades - and he also inspired other chess advancements, such as in chess playing software such as Deep Blue.
I would agree that Vishy may be second only to Fischer in terms of positive impact on chess, mostly because he's a hero to one of the most populous nations on earth. Hikaru isn't a hero to anyone, though; he's never even been close to a world championship except in his own fevered imagination.
Fuchuina wrote:
coolout if you think every player is arrogant how about ding liren?
such a humble person!!
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
what about daniel naradiskty, eric rosen, or someone like danny rensch?
I'm not sure who Danny Rensch is. Isn't he the chess.com guy? I don't think he'd have a job if he was arrogant and unfriendly. Daniel and Eric I wouldn't say are rude, but they are extremely arrogant and stuckup. I still like them though lol.
Eric Rosen is arrogant??! he started meditation before Gautama Buddha..haha.
Wow, that first video was really bad. He has actually improved a lot since then. At least he works on himself unlike people here who just try to cause as much drama as they can.