Me vs Team chess.com (FINAL THOUGHTS)
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hmm, I thought we were doing quite well, but if we're only playing celerons i'm not so sure. 
Ah comon, he is far from an idiot. He has kept hundreds of us entertained for weeks. Generally an idiot will only entertain me long enough for me to say "WTF" and get out of there.
TORERO TORERO TORERO TOREO TORERO TORERO TORERO TORERO TORERO TORERO TORERO TORERO
I like this cheap correspondence entertainment
its like jerry springer. giving his 'final thoughts'
whatever happens happens.
just dont be a puss and stop playing if you think really think its going to be a draw. just play it out and see what unfolds.
what harm will come from you playing for a few more days/weeks. you will only get more attention and we know how much of that you love.
and if you do get checkmated. just take gracefully with some class.
you should expect that we would do that same if we get checkmated.
Yeah, I don't like him trying to establish the idea that if he resigns its somehow a victory - like he's proved he's unmatable. Sorry cheater, that doesn't work for me with any of my opponents, whenever I resign they seem to consider it a loss for some reason. You're simply going to have to play it out, sir. A gentleman by the name of Webgogs feel's he's figured the match out, in our favor, and we're following him for here on in.
But yeah. If you resign = you lost. Sorry. If it truly is a draw, you'll have to prove it.
I would like to post a question here. Whenever I have beaten an opponent for instance, finamor in the "Goring Gambit" tournament or Telox in chess.com quick knockout tournament, I am asked to select a trohy for my beaten opponent. Is there an error here on the part of the Administrator? Should the Winner of a game be awarded a trophy or the Loser? Please comment! What is more puzzling still is that when Telox in turn beats me, I am asked to select a trophy to be awarded to him! Pleases comment!
Singa wrote: I would like to post a question here. Whenever I have beaten an opponent for instance, finamor in the "Goring Gambit" tournament or Telox in chess.com quick knockout tournament, I am asked to select a trohy for my beaten opponent. Is there an error here on the part of the Administrator? Should the Winner of a game be awarded a trophy or the Loser? Please comment! What is more puzzling still is that when Telox in turn beats me, I am asked to select a trophy to be awarded to him! Pleases comment!
Singa,
do you see the topic title at the top of the page?
Wow. Possibly the most convoluted excuse for not saying 'I resign' I've ever heard!
Even in taken on its own terms, it's a nonsensical piece of reasoning. If cheater_1's programmes have led him into a losing line, there will inevitable be a phase during which they can't yet see that they are losing, whilst their opponent (that's us!) will know better.
The deeper reason behind cheater_1's post, of course, is his fear of losing.
Whilst most of us ordinary players accept that sometimes we get it wrong and we do lose, for cheater_1, a defeat would be truly identity-crushing.
I almost feel sorry for the guy...
rofl about singa.
cheater 1 is an ass if he thinks that resigning when there is a chance of draw lets him be champ, drawing is not bad and may prove him great a player, but he would have to play to the end or wait for our offer.
May 10, 2008
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#14
There truly is NO reasoning with you guys. You dont trust me, do you? You just dont trust or value what I have to say. I could say that the sky is blue and some of you would disagree and say it's cloudy. 90% are using programs or blindly following ones that are...and yet you cant see (or wont admit) to a draw.
I realize that its early in the game, and your potential to blunder is more than mine (if you all are really using your own brain), but I am the visionary here. I can see much further into the future than you can, and I acknowledge your limited vision. See, I dont just analyze my move for 5 hours and then make it--I analyze my move, then your move, then my move, etc. for an hour or two and see how it plays out, then use MY BRAIN to make the best move based on the suggestions that my programs gave me (unless they ALL say Rd8).
I know you all think that when (because you seem to KNOW it will happen) I start dropping material and get into a losing position that I will just walk away and say, see I have yet to be mated. HA! That is a slimy tactic unworthy of even me.
My endgame tablesbases are HUGE. The combinations are something like 1.3 ZILLION. You mere humans have no chance of outhinking that. You see, 100% of humans who have ever scored a win against a program (yes there are a few) have the game WON considerably before the endgame. I encourage all you program users to set your program in infinite time ALL DAY long and just play out a move every hour or so. You'll see that the score NEVER fluctuates by more than .4 (0.00 to -.37 to +.37).
Youre getting my blood pressure up into the unsafe levels, team chess.com. I grow weary of your stalling tactics. Watch your step!!
Cheater_1, here is my question to you.... why is it not possible that there is someone else out there that might be as good or BETTER than you at interpreting a chess engine's output and applying it to a game? If you were to head over to ICCF, most of the players there use a combination of computer/brain as well. Your idea is NOT unique. So if other people have experience using this set up, why is it out of the realm of possibility that someone is better at it than you? Anyway, I said all that to say this.. no one is unmateable, no one. And a resignation will be seen, by me, and by a large majority (hopefully all of chess.com, but I'm not going to speak for everyone) of us here at chess.com the same way that we see any resignation, an admission of defeat.
hey guys! read cheater_1's last post.
he says:
"I analyze my move, then your move, then my move, etc. for an hour or two and see how it plays out, then use MY BRAIN to make the best move"
See? - he's thinking MORE THAN ONE MOVE ahead! AND then playing the one he thinks is the best!!!!!.
Faced with this revolutionary strategy, i think we better resign.
De-Lar wrote: Pistoleer wrote:
Ah comon, he is far from an idiot. He has kept hundreds of us entertained for weeks. Generally an idiot will only entertain me long enough for me to say "WTF" and get out of there.
Who's more the idiot? The idiot or the idiot listening to the idiot?
Nice, not only you do want to call one member of the community here an idiot, you also want to call me an idiot. Personal attacks are unwarranted and unwelcome. *sigh* In any online community i have been a part of, once this sort of abuse is allowed to continue, the community slowly begins to slide from something great into something distasteful.
May 10, 2008
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#18
Pistoleer gets the LOGIC award for today.
Baseballfan has a point, to a degree. I have defeated 4 or 5 LEGIT GMs in my day, so I KNOW there is NO CHANCE of a human being ever checkmating me. DEEP BLUE would CRUSH me in a 40/120 game because I just cant compete with 200 million positions per second in that short time period ( so I could be mated by the likes of deep blue in tourney time, but deep blue could only manage a DRAW with me in this correspondence crap). However, seeing everyone that attempts to cheat me is also using a desktop computer as I am, and seeing that everyone who attempts to cheat me is using a program that I personally own, and seeing that everyone who attempts to cheat me DOES NOT have the cheating experience I have--one can only conclude that I have the ADVANTAGE.
My statement stands: I AM UNMATEABLE by any chess program or programs or any human or humans in games ranging from 1 minute per game to 1 day per move...the ONLY exception being by DEEP BLUE in tourney time. Yes, I have admitted there is an exception, but old blue is sleeping in mothballs and not likely to ever play a game of chess again.
cheater_1 wrote:
Pistoleer gets the LOGIC award for today.
Baseballfan has a point, to a degree. I have defeated 4 or 5 LEGIT GMs in my day, so I KNOW there is NO CHANCE of a human being ever checkmating me. DEEP BLUE would CRUSH me in a 40/120 game because I just cant compete with 200 million positions per second in that short time period ( so I could be mated by the likes of deep blue in tourney time, but deep blue could only manage a DRAW with me in this correspondence crap). However, seeing everyone that attempts to cheat me is also using a desktop computer as I am, and seeing that everyone who attempts to cheat me is using a program that I personally own, and seeing that everyone who attempts to cheat me DOES NOT have the cheating experience I have--one can only conclude that I have the ADVANTAGE.
My statement stands: I AM UNMATEABLE by any chess program or programs or any human or humans in games ranging from 1 minute per game to 1 day per move...the ONLY exception being by DEEP BLUE in tourney time. Yes, I have admitted there is an exception, but old blue is sleeping in mothballs and not likely to ever play a game of chess again.
Do you have to get the door frames in your house specially adapted so that you can fit your head through them? :-)
You make me laugh.
It reminds me of that episode of South Park were they all played World of Warcraft against some greasy slob. C'mon admit it, you are that guy.
cheater_1 wrote:
<snipped for brevity> ...and seeing that everyone who attempts to cheat me DOES NOT have the cheating experience I have--one can only conclude that I have the ADVANTAGE.
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Well, I can assure you, while there may not be too many members who have cheated in live tournaments (I really hope not anyway), I know for a fact that there are people on our team who have used computers to analyze games. I can assure you, you do NOT have the advantage you proport, either as a theorecital game analyst, or in the current game.
My council of three has told me HUNDREDS of times that our little vote chess game is a DRAW. Giving YOU the benefit of the doubt, Mr. DEEP FRITZ volunteered to validate my claim that this game is a draw. Mr. DEEP FRITZ'S DUAL associates, Mr. Celeron#1 and Mr. Celeron#2 provided some support. Seeing these powerhouses are quite busy, they were only able to think for 15 MINUTES PER MOVE (5 times longer than Tourney time). What follows is their analysis:
"By move 27, black will lose a pawn and material will become even."
"For the next 10 moves (up to move #37), white will devote all its efforts to defending the D6 Pawn. Material will remain even."
"By move 45, the rooks will be traded off. Material will be even."
"By move 50, both sides will have pawns on the H,G,F files and opposite colored bishops remaining."
"The H and F pawns will be blocked and neither side will advance the G pawn. This position will result in both sides moving their kings and bishops back and forth until either the 50 move rule or a 3 fold repitition is enforced."
"It is our conclusion, that with perfect play, this game will always result in a draw."
There you have it team chess.com. Now, this is what I would like to say:
I will indulge you all and play on for a bit longer. I am a man of my word and I feel OBLIGATED to continue on. I'm not a total A**hole, you know. This game is a gift and it has been my TOUGHEST challenge EVER. Not many people get to take on a world team.
If this game continues on as predicted, If the score remains deadlocked or + or - 1 for the next week or two, I will offer a draw. If you refuse to accept the draw, I will just stop playing. I'll pack up and head out, knowing that I was UNMATED. If either team chess.com or cheater_1 manages some BRILLIANT combination and breaks the deadlock, then the game must continue on...and I will continue on even if I'm down material (as you have done since move 4).
I have informed Erik that I will be on vacation June 5,6,7,8 and will NOT be able to make any moves on those days. He didn't think the game would last that long and didnt say what he planned to do if it did. Chances are that I will have stopped playing by then (whether you like it or not), but if by a MIRACLE, team chess.com decides to STOP PLAYING FOR THE DRAW and actually TRY to CHECKMATE me, then you will have to grant me a 4 day leave of absence and I will resume my moves on June 9th.
My final thoughts on this game: I thought I'd win handily--I was wrong. I KNEW you couldn't checkmate me, even if you had Kasparov, Anand and Deep Blue on your side--I was right. I was VERY fired up in the beginning about this game but soon became VERY disappointed when I learned that you guys were playing for a draw. Perhaps you misunderstood the reason for this game, and that reason was to try ANYTHING in your power to checkmate me. This game WAS NOT about me trying to checkmate you, but you trying to checkmate me. Read the blurb that Erik wrote on the vote chess page.
See, people, I am like the heavyweight champion of the world, and the ONLY way for you to dethrone me is to BEAT me. We all know that in the event of a draw, the champion retains his title. Now I know youre saying that who died and appointed me the champ, or that the game isnt even to move 25 yet--there's a lot of chess to be played. Time will tell. Time will tell. The bottom line is that I claim to be UNMATEABLE when I play internet chess, and even an INTERNATIONAL WORLD COALITION of "great chess minds" and powerhouse chess programs and cutting edge hardware is "at the moment" LOSING. Losing by a small margin, but losing nonetheless.
I'm playing for the draw people. The ball is in YOUR court. DO SOMETHING!!!! Playing it safe will get you nowhere in a HURRY.