Memorization vs Skill
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Aug 7, 2023
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My math teacher taught me how to solve a quadratic equation then accused me of plagiarism when I used the formula.
Aug 7, 2023
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#24
I don't think of it as plagiarising, it's just a different skillset.
Take @badchesserrr versus me. He's absolutely obsessed with openings and discovering and memorising new lines, and pretty much always has a solid advantage out of the opening, which has allowed him to climb pretty far. He does it because he loves it, not to compensate for something. Yes he may hit a point where he has to give more attention to other things, and I'm sure he will rise to the occasion.
Whereas I'm the opposite, I've never studied openings, not even the ones I play, I almost always have a disadvantage out of the opening with both colours. That's not me being "creative" or "original". Because my openings suck so much I've had to compensate for it with stronger positional play and endgames. I've hit the point where I do need to start addressing my very poor openings, and wow if I had @badchesserrr's opening knowledge I would be flying.
Everybody has different strengths and weaknesses in their game, and everyone should ultimately strive to be well-rounded. We all end up coming face to face with our weaknesses and are forced to work on them in order to improve.
So why should it matter to me whether my opponents are strongest at openings, tactics, endgames etc? And why does it matter to you, OP? You just sound salty. If you are getting outplayed in the opening and don't want that to happen anymore, it means you need to improve your openings. While you're working on that, maybe your task is to beat them anyway to show them that openings aren't everything.
Aug 7, 2023
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#25
Ziryab wrote:
ice_cream_cake wrote:
Ziryab 写道:
Amrak90 wrote:
Fischer random requires skill, regular chess requires a good memory. A noob can probably beat a gm just by watching all their games and preparing a line for whatever that gm usually responds to a specific opening. That's not skill, just memory. Just like libs in school. They're great at memorizing talking points but do very little calculation themselves.
You should read some posts by players who know what they are talking about. Your perception of players spitting out moves they don’t understand simply from memory is incredibly naive.
After four moves have been played, there are 18 billion possible positions. To remember anything that far, you must also understand why 17.99 billion of those positions are completely and totally lost for one side. That still leaves a million to memorize. No one has done so.
Like unicorn pointed out, that person probably knows what they're saying is completely wrong so
The idea that one must be wholly original in everything holds many people back not only in chess, but in every human endeavor where skill development is useful.
You just reminded me of doker. He's an active player here stuck for over a year in the 100-200 range because he's convinced that he needs to be original. He sees learning the basics of how to play as blindly following the crowd, and thinks he can stumble across (and, presumably, comprehend) a hidden strategy which brings guaranteed success in every game.
.......yeah
Aug 7, 2023
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#26
Ziryab 写道:
My math teacher taught me how to solve a quadratic equation then accused me of plagiarism when I used the formula.
Ahhhh but 
US math education is
I get your point but don't know about this example as i don't like how US math education is because students are not encouraged nearly enough to actually understand concepts, as a result of which they have to memorize more than they actually "should", and they end up forgetting and also thinking math is "hard" and mysterious
I've taught calculus to Stanford freshman so I think I might know what I'm saying here; even students at top universities, many students (even prospective STEM majors) have "gotten by" on a very shaky understanding of basic concepts and then inevitably struggle at higher levels.
I guess your example kind of proves my point because a math teacher doing such a ridiculous thing isn't even all that surprising under our education system. But in general there's too much memorizing going on in K-12 math education here imo.
Aug 7, 2023
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#27
Anyway i'm not sure why this thread is being taken seriously.....if OP isn't serious then why bother, and if OP is actually serious i feel like they have other issues if they are glibly spouting nonsense with no evidence, and making meaningful comments is unlikely to be very productive
Sorry if that sounds harsh but i do honestly think this thread seems rather unpromising for a useful conversation.
Memorization is a skill of its own all on its own, that makes the brain work.
Can a Surgeon have skill, if he doesn't remember how to operate?