Men VS Women!

When in doubt, I like to give the benefit of the doubt to what are otherwise apparent equals, instead of flawed theories and experiments that are missing crucial data, for truly equating the sum of reality.

At least I don't need long winded and twisted arguments, that can't get out of their own way, besides mine are actually humorous...

what are you smoking?

BTW, Its rather foolish to expect an advertiser to use small fonts and dull colors...Do you think they will concur?

Do you prefer to be consider innocent, with the burden of your accussers to pove you guilty, or treated as guilty, while you have to prove your innocence?

Or did you still prefer us to buy into the reality thats conveneint for you, instead of the rest of us....is that erudite enough for you, or do I need to go to Harvard Law School and scan a copy of my degree to make sure that I am qualified to blabber about such things that you would say I am not able to expound on....sorry I have better things to do with my time...I think I'll go swap my old mower engine to the new deck I got for it and cut my grass...good day

oh, you have a Harvard Law Degree; that explains a lot....

But a Harvard Law Degree teaches you to twist language in obscure ways in order to make dubious arguments; as has been amply demonstrated here today...

I was going to suggest MIT's math department to help you out, but they would be insulted and turn you away. You need to go back to the elementary part of math dealing with equations. If you want 1+1 to equal 2, but you keep insisting that one of the exponents you are insisting is equal to 1, isn't, then you equations won't add up, hence how your argument is full of biases and missing detail, leading you to the wrong conclusions.

and the above statement conclusively proves that women equal men in chess....

@Joey, well I agree with everything you just said, and those are all valid points. I think it would be rude to try and "make a move" with a woman while playing chess in a match. I'm not sure if it's considered unattractive for a woman to compete with a man in chess, or learning math, or whatever, I think it can be intimidating to some men, and even demasculinating when they get shown up. I'll admit, it's not really a turn on to get beaten by a woman in any logical debate or game of stradegy. I think if there was more incentive for women to play chess then after some time the playing field would equalize.

Oh, and for the last comment- Guys- If you don't let her know what you want you may never get it, If I waited for women to read my mind I'd still be waiting. I know you're just joking Joey, but there could be some poor kid out there that takes that to heart

I have no problem whatsoever being beaten by a woman in chess; I ALWAYS learn something when I lose. If you let your male ego get in the way you are just hindering your own growth as a player. 

No it only proves you don't know how to prove they aren't as good, if indeed they aren't. The data one would enter is subjective and there isn't really anyway to take into account how things could be, based upon what has previously happened. I am glad tomorrow won't always be like yesterday, but apparently some people think it will.

I am glad that women have risen up over the years and done what men have told them they couldn't, I don't know why any of you feel so threatened. Do you really think they could throw men away, if they had the opportunity? They always have had it and never will. Do you think someday they will be dictators of this world. They have plenty of power over men as it stands. Trying to deny them the power they have by casting them down as lesser or unneeded wont get rid of them or keep them from being destined to be all that they can be.

maybe not - I was responding to whoever above said that it was somehow more "humiliating" or degrading to lose to a woman. I didn't think anyone was still that old-fashioned. I certainly am not. I'm a little defensive because I'm actually kind of tired of hearing women tell me that men are this or that (e.g. men are too insecure to admit that women...blah blah blah). I think women are the ones who are insecure and need to just get over it. If there are still men out there who think that losing to a woman is "humiliating," they REALLY need to grow up and get over it. I have been beaten by women in tennis, chess, academics - you name it. I never for a moment thought that I was "superior" to women intellectually just because I am a man. 

I did not mean to imply that Joey or anyone else has a problem; 

Sorry to hear that. That makes a person feel quite miserable. Hope you get better soon.

Last week, I e-mailed a behavioral economist asking about robotjazz's experiment idea. He replied via an mp3 file. I couldn't figure out how to post an mp3 file here, so I tinkered with it a bit. To upload to youtube, I had to add pictures, so I threw in some of his book covers and some of him. Sorry it is a bit rough, but it is the first video project I've ever under taken. Here's his answer.

Yeah, I hope you get well soon Joey. I don't have a problem losing to a woman, but I've noticed a lot of men do. I run the recieving dept. at a Home Depot and we work with the freight team to distribute the merchandise onto the sales floor. The freight team is all men, but we only recently hired a woman into that position. She works fast and harder than most of the men were working before she got there. These guys were sayin to each other "shes gonna make you look bad if you don't speed it up", and "Don't let the new girl make you look like a chump" These guys have worked harder in the past week than I've seen them work in an entire year. All because of the stigma that men should be better than women. I guess that's what happens in less intellectual circles.

probably right. I think this perception is changing gradually but in some quarters it is still intact; I hate to say it but the "older" generation (people now in their 60s, 70s, maybe even some in 50s) may have to die off before this kind of stuff is gone.

I will say that it goes both ways. I have worked in offices with women in traditionally female jobs and I have been treated horribly, gossiped about, stabbed in the back, manipulated and lied to by women who were threatened by working with a man. IT DEFINITELY GOES BOTH WAYS.

what is fearless about? may have to pick it up

I wonder what percentage of mechanical engineers are female? Is it because they can't do the math or is it because it's a profession heavily dominated by men?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92881902

Here you go. A story on math/female stereotypes.