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vizio23

21 minutes ago · Quote · #1938

mdinnerspace

riguito101 simply laughs, knowing full well the USCF has been powerless (or incompetent) at enforcing any rules (poorly written) since its founding. He has no fear of any paying any retribution, after all, name 1 person who has?

I don't think this is USCF problem. This falls on Zdenko shoulder, he was responsible for checking these sandbaggers out. Reguiberto is having fun, he sent me a message asking how I was doing.

themaskedbishop

Guys, rigoletto is not the issue. If you have a problem with the sandbagging in the tournament, then take your complaints to the tournament director. Your $1000 entry fee was meant to guarantee you a quality experience where sandbagging would not occur. 

You can press for a refund, but you'll never get that. You could try for for an admission and an apology from the organizers. But I doubt you get that either. Several of us told  you (over and over again, since before MC1) that this tournament was a huge mistake and anyone who went was getting suckered. 

Steve11537
themaskedbishop wrote:

Guys, rigoletto is not the issue.

Actually, the general buisiness concept failure aside, guys like rigoberto and Zdenko are exactly the issue.

Anyone unwise enough to participate in the overpriced tournament will be much more put off by the sandbaggers taking money they could theoretically have won themselves than they would be by Nakas 9 move draw.

Because that draw, while unpleasant, did nothing to hurt their own chances of winning money, while the sandbaggers did.

 

I still wonder how Zdenko could allow guys like rigoberto here to participate in that section of the tournament. After all, that kinda was the only reason of him being there to check the history of possible entreants.

If he failed to see the incredibly obvious red flag of that suspicious "tournament history", he might as well not have done any background checks at all and limited himself to drinking that overpriced water. 

 

Unless some sort of kickback was involved in that oversight, that is. But of course we will never know that, as no proof exists that I'm aware of.

 

In a city like Vegas, something like that would at least not surprise me.

Ciak

whoever wins will always be a sandbagger.

In my opinion to win in the 1400 category, or in 1600, it is not so difficult. Just a bit of head and train with a master three months in a row.

This would be my plan if I will ever came to MC3. But actually I'm far away with tless time disposal and, more than that, with a small brain that makes difficult to accomplish my project. :)

woton
Steve11537 wrote:
 

 

 

I still wonder how Zdenko could allow guys like rigoberto here to participate in that section of the tournament. After all, that kinda was the only reason of him being there to check the history of possible entreants.

ut of course we will never know that, as no proof exists that I'm aware of.

 

 

How do you know that Zdenko unilaterally allowed it to happen?  Here's Amy Lee's reaction when queried about the Russian:

We know all about this circumstance but the reality is if you take away the fact that he won our tournament then what grounds do you have to prevent him from playing in the first place? 

I think that either Amy or Maurice had to approve a decision to prevent a possible sandbagger from entering the tournament.  I counted 8 to 10 potential sandbaggers.  That's a lot of money to turn down when the event is hemorrhaging.

Steve11537
woton wrote:

I think that either Amy or Maurice had to approve a decision to prevent a possible sandbagger from entering the tournament.  I counted 8 to 10 potential sandbaggers.  That's a lot of money to turn down when the event is hemorrhaging.

Who said anything about preventing them from playing in the tournament ? I certainly didn't.

But if someone looks like a sandbagger, he should be placed in the open section of the tournament, not in the U1400 or U1600.

 

Afaik MC reserved the right to place players in a different section in such a case.

woton

From a practical point of view, if these players were told that they had to play in the open section, they would have withdrawn.  Their intent was to clean up in the <1600 section, not compete with GMs.

vizio23

The only reason I am talking trash about the sandbagger. The guy Zdenko said he was going to put me in the open section for a mistake on my birthdate. On top of that someone name Carla ask for 10 of my game for Maurice Ashley to use to help promote the tournament. I didn't believe that was the real reason they ask for the 10 games. I sent them anyway I had nothing to hide. In my opinion they was acting like I was a sandbagger or they was trying very hard to run a good tournament. When I saw the tournament history of these guys, I know something is not right. For all the people who say I told you so. The tournament could have been a success. This was very preventable. I not upset with Riguiberto, I don't want him send me a message on chess.com I don't want to talk to you about nothing. A lot of you have been on this forum for 2 years, and talk about what ever you want. I also have that right. I was a big fan of the MC tournament. I use this forum to show I no longer give a dam about the tournament. I am exposing Zdenko, if he going to be that hard about a bithdate, then let these guys in the backdoor. I feel bad for Amy Lee, but the hell with her team.

mdinnerspace

Between bishop telling us how smart he is after the fact, saying he knew all along what would transpire; along with oprah telling us what fools we were, that we deserved what we got; I feel a whole lot better knowing the players were merely victims of an elaborate plot. I forgive you MC, the errors of my thinking have been duely corrected by the cynics.

u0110001101101000

Or Ashly could have had some balls, and just said (after the last round) that they don't qualify for prizes.

Also counting the Hikaru McShane draw as a double forfeit.

nobodyreally

"There are two things which cannot be attacked in front: ignorance and narrow-mindedness. They can only be shaken by the simple development of the contrary qualities. They will not bear discussion."

John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton

u0110001101101000
nobodyreally wrote:

"There are two things which cannot be attacked in front: ignorance and narrow-mindedness. They can only be shaken by the simple development of the contrary qualities. They will not bear discussion."

John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton

Excellent.

vizio23

Let me be real clear. I am saying some real shady stuff went down. This guy Zdenko wrote me a nasty email, saying I fake my birthdate. It was a simple mistake, I played the year before. Now! this is were get trickey. This guy is making a big deal about a birthdate that will have no outcome of the chess tournament, but let these guys in the backdoor. The reason I say backdoor, it was two weeks before the tournament. All these guys making the deadline at the same time, playing in the same tournaments. Zdenko do nothing, but put me in a section to be determine. I played the year before with a 4-3 record. I was saying this guy is tough, this is going to be a good tournament. When you see the tournament history there is no doubt in my mind some real shady business went down. Amy Lee was just the Bank for the tournament. With the large prize  money on the line, the team let us get robbed. I can accept losing, but I don't like being robbed. I don't have to fly to Vegas to be robbed.

SocialPanda
vizio23 wrote:

I will see you at MC#3 and I will walk up and shake your hand for pulling off a dum plan.

You are so angry with MC, but you are still considering participating on it if there´s a new edition?

vizio23

No! I wouldn't play again, I was just talking trash to Riguiberto.

riguito101

vizio23 wrote:

No! I wouldn't play again, I was just talking trash to Riguiberto.

you can call me Rigo, Timothy. ;)

vizio23

Rigo

I mislead a lot of people. .but English is my second language and what I meant to say that it was my second biggest tournament that I had played. the other mini tournaments don't count in my mind. just because it's not the same as the mc2

I want to believe you are a credible person, but your story is incredible. How is it possible you can play 52 tournaments game in one month. That cover 3 states San Diago, Vegas and Texas. When asked about your tournament history you told the chess world this is only my second tournament. The mimi tournaments are important, it was the only way you could play in MC#2. Which put you in position to play on millionaire Monday.

niemker8835

riguito101 just face it; nobody believes you didn't sandbag. The tournament comment you made just made it even plainer to all. You and a few others burned MC2, and more important the other players. 

mdinnerspace

Oprah and bishop do have a valid point. They point out the reality, there will always be people who exploit, learn the loopholes to take advantage of the system. Sure, these people should be scorned, prosecuted if possible. (I disagree with the apparant callous disregard towards the participants). However, the main focus should be directed towards the promoters. Did they "knowingly" deceive participants or were they just incompetent? Either way, the model has twice proven a failure. MC3? Very slim odds imo.

mdinnerspace

I did not play in the event. If I had and I were in vizio23 shoes, well, l can't say what I'd have done. Gone postal? Burnt the joint down? MC2 was lucky cooler heads prevailed, especially after 1st round pairing fiasco.