morphy vs Capablanca

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pranavravella

who will win?

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Capablanca, he has decades of knowledge on him.  Capablanca also had an incredible grasp of endgame understanding! 

patzermike

Capa. But I'll bet Morphy would have his moments.. One careless move and anybody could lose to Morphy.

Ben_Dubuque

but he couldn't play the complex positions Morphy would play in, Alekhine and Morphy IMO were at the same combinative ability, and Positionally speaking Morphy was akin To Steinitz. So I think Morphy would have a small margine of victory, nothing akin to the Massive Destruction Steinitz would endure against Morphy. It would be close, but I think Morphy would win,  I think Botvinik would be the first WC who would most likely defeat morphy in a match. A few others would have their hands full even Kasparov, but the more positional, the more likely they would have a shot to defeat Morphy in match play.

pranavravella

[prob]

pranavravella

5 votes for capa 1 vote for morphy

PatzerLars

+1 Capa

pranavravella

6 capa 1 morphy

Ben_Dubuque

Estragon wrote:

Of course Capablanca would win easily.  Morphy played very casually and made many tactical errors, he was just too far advanced over his peers for it to matter, he understood the game more deeply than any of them.

Capablanca had the benefit of the advances Morphy made, and also those of Steinitz and Lasker.  It wouldn't be a fair fight, any more than putting Capa against Fischer or Karpov or Carlsen would be.

I will beg to differ on the many tactical errors simply because when plugging morphys games into a computer, the sharper the position, the better his moves get

Ubik42
tkbunny wrote:

capa will surely get the ladies

But, Morphy would get the ladie's shoes.

Ubik42
rdecredico wrote:
jetfighter13 wrote:

but he couldn't play the complex positions Morphy would play in, Alekhine and Morphy IMO were at the same combinative ability, and Positionally speaking Morphy was akin To Steinitz. So I think Morphy would have a small margine of victory, nothing akin to the Massive Destruction Steinitz would endure against Morphy. It would be close, but I think Morphy would win,  I think Botvinik would be the first WC who would most likely defeat morphy in a match. A few others would have their hands full even Kasparov, but the more positional, the more likely they would have a shot to defeat Morphy in match play.


Each successive generation would give the previous generation a beat down.  

To think otherwise is to pretend there is no progress or advancement in the game, and that is demonstrably not the case.

 

I think this is obvious, but its oddly a minority viewpoint around here.

pranavravella
Ubik42 wrote:
tkbunny wrote:

capa will surely get the ladies

But, Morphy would get the ladie's shoes.

No the face

pranavravella

wowo

pranavravella

uh?

harvthom

+1 morphy

 

blueemu
Ben_Dubuque wrote:

but he couldn't play the complex positions Morphy would play in...

The problem with that idea is that Capablanca WOULDN'T play the sort of complex positions that Morphy liked. Capa would deliberately suck all the dynamicism out of the positions, and beat morphy senseless in dry, technical positions.

AbdullahCelik97

Nice

snoozyman

Paul Morphy

marqumax

We don't know what Morphy was capable of. He was so much better than everyone then we've never seen his limits

blueemu
marqumax wrote:

We don't know what Morphy was capable of. He was so much better than everyone then we've never seen his limits

Yes, one problem with being THAT far ahead of your rivals is that you never really get the chance to show your full potential. Nobody tests it! Fischer was arguably a similar case.