Mourning the Demise of Descriptive Notation

Algebraic is much easier to figure out for those unfamiliar with the language. Imagine being an arbiter at a tournament in Slovenia and trying to settle disputes with scoresheets using descriptive notation with players using Slovenian, Italian, German, Slovakian, Croatian, Bosnian, Czech and perhaps languages from other countries a little further away.

long-quach--ballet became a big success in the court of Louis XIII, hence all ballet terms are in French as all other nations learned from French ballet-masters.

This is a two-part reply. I don’t understand long on all his replies. Maybe he enjoys rambling. Maybe he enjoys being incoherent.

But here are my two replies; just in case he makes sense.

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I didn’t say introduce. I merely mentioned that they may have made it easier for a player to understand AN if they have used similar systems.

My point was to show, how your how your conclusion that Battleship was the primary, or only way a person would be introduced to AN, was faulty, or at least incomplete.

All systems I mentioned used the Cartesian (X and Y) system of determining a location and could easily be used as a starting point to begin the process of learning AN. (I’ve used multiplication tables to teach AN. It works!

Oh, I almost forget. How does knowing Battleship help someone know how to write down, or understand castling, en passant, diagonals, threats, promotions, good moves, bad moves, white squares, dark squares, knight moves, checks, and mating patterns? (Hint, they don’t. Battleship has only one color for the board (blue), no diagonals are used, there are no knight moves, and mating patterns do not exist.)

If one wanted to, they can get a checkered table cloth, write in the necessary letters and numbers and they can teach AN. Shall we add table cloths to our list of things that may help a person understand AN?

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1. Explain to me what Correspondence is and where that idea came from

Correspondence, at least in chess terms, is playing a game of chess through the mail (post, if you are British). It used to be played with postcards with each player being responsible for; (1) keeping the position accurate and updated, (2) maintaining a complete list of all the moves, (3) transmitting the reply in a reasonable amount of time (usually about 3 days, holidays and Sundays excluded), and (4) notifying the controller, TD, or organization of the result of the game upon completion.

Most correspondence games are now played via the Internet. The game goes faster, and you don’t have to spend money on postage.

I would play my Father Correspondence games via postcard - and we lived in the same house ! 
Had to make it official.

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  Chess diagram found in a French manuscript dated 1173

LOL BadBishop! Yeah, this is more common that it should be.

But I got to ask this question. Did you and your father use the same chess board to keep track of the game or, heaven forbid, both of you used the same board for analysis?

Say what ? Suggesting we did not correspond and conduct our play by the rules? I learned chess ethics early on- my 1st lesson from my Father before knowing the rules. Generally played in 3 tournaments.  18 on-going  games . Brown plastic folder/ double sided boards with stick on pieces. We sent postcards to our address through the mail. We created our own matches of course. How I learned the game. Analyze  games at the same time? What would be the point ? It would be cheating in the 1st and last place. 
So you had to ask. Not a very good question but whatever. Hinting at cheating is not good.

The logic of Correspondence is the Cartesian grid.

Huh?

Dear Long, you are going to have to explain this one. 

What point are you trying to make here? If any. You keep changing the subject, insult me, and have a problem with your replies (they are scattered and not too well thought out.

I seriously doubt that you know things as much as you claim to know. You have large gaps in your knowledge and education.

You aren't exactly reaching to increase your knowledge, or even having a serious, healthy debate. Instead you rather nitpick the small stuff, and be an ankle kicker.

And I also think you are wearing out your welcome here..

BadBishop,

I was not hinting at cheating. I just thought it was  little funny how both father and son had to use two chessboards to keep track of the game, when one would probably suffice if played OTB style rather than correspondence.

My didn't want continue to play OTB when I started winning the majority of the games. I wished he had continued.

I'm sorry if my words hinted at anything illegal or unethical.

No problem Barefoot- I over reacted. The boards, as you know, to store and track games were kept in a notebook sized folder. A single full sized board sufficed for analysis for all games. 

long,

logic is tool or system used to weed out the truth.

It could be said that the coordinate system uses logic to determine exactly where something is located. You can also state that logic is built into a Cartesian system. You can also state that logic has always existed and that people found the logic that describes the Cartesian to build a table. And you can also claim that a AN follows the pattern of a Cartesian system (or at least some of the basics) or even that AN does not need to follow the follow the Cartesian system, as AN can be of an independent design.

I'm not sure how you are applying the word "logic" here.

BadBishop,

Yes! I used a Postamatic (ch. spelling) binder to keep track of my games in the 1980s and 1990s. I still have it! Nice memories of games in that binder!

No such Correspondence system exists. The USCF and International play used standardized Descriptive notation. If playing vs another country it was necessary to learn the letters representing the pieces. But everybody understood the system- there could be only One System 

and that system ... as yet long-quach has failed to comprehend . Seems stuck in his Chessmaster lingo

This is going to take a while. 

Years ago, people found a number line easy to use. It could be as simple as a specific length of rope or a piece of wood.

Large distances could be covered by using multiple sticks or even a single long one that was the an exact multiple of a number of sticks.

Which was fine if one wanted to measure the length of a river or road. But how does one measure if one field of potential, or real, farmland  is bigger than another? How does one plan out huts or buildings of a large city? They would probably want to know if there is enough acreage to start a project.

Well, the Egyptians probably used large wheels to lay out their pyramids. But most others seem use simple geometry to lay out cities, monuments, religious buildings, etc.

By then, the geometry of the ancient Greeks was becoming vogue and the Cartesian system was more or less a formal way of determining the total area of something.

It's not a big leap to apply the system for large things into a system for small things, like the size of a board used in a game.

But it still took a couple of hundred years (we humans can be so stubborn) for this easy system to be used as a notation fo board games. And that include chess, Battleship, checkers, and even early video games.

A cool thing about the post card days -

Postcards could be used that had a printed chessboard on them. Rubber inked stamps were used    - utilizing individual pieces. A complete diagram of the position could be sent - avoiding confusion.

long, why do we have to keep explaining things to you? You want answers? Try, try doing  little research yourself. You can do it! =)

Not mention I've got more than one postcard with a Christmas theme with the holidays. Hung them up with other cards for Xmas. Made a nice display! =)

Where’s my tomato!

So now you see yourself as a teacher!?

Actually you are talking to a teacher, one who left the field as again, he didn't feel like starving.  I now work in the electronics and computers field.