My Problem With The Current Rules Of Daily Games!!!

Chess.com should really not allow you to use a database or chess books for daily chess as it is hard to tell what crosses the line when it becomes blatant cheating.

Example of this is the Traxler. If you use an opening database and play it perfectly (and you checkmate them in the opening) it is like using an engine thats just how I see it

Here are the rules for daily chess/daily games currently:

So i suggest either a clearer way of knowing what the threshold is of general moves you can play or remove this list and just say any engine use or external help is considered against the rules. By the way they even say "Help From Others" is not allowed but you are using opening databases from other people lol. 

So please make it clear what is the rules of daily chess.

Didn’t u already post this a min ago?

Yes but there was a bug with the forum

Oh k

Daily is the site's version of correspondence, which also allows the use of static resources. Very confident that's not going to change.

There are some clubs that used to be pretty active that agree not to use anything outside your own brain, so playing in those clubs might give you what you want.

Interesting...

That would be impossible to enforce, Midnight. CC has no control over the books you read and you can easily find databases on other websites and books! I get where you're coming from, but, unless you want CC monitoring every aspect of your life every second (even more so than a communist regime), there is just no way to make this a reality.

Granted, the same could be said for engines/tablebases. However, it is easy to tell when someone is using it because they play absolutely perfect moves. In contrast, openings can be memorized, so someone opening perfectly is not a red flag. As for not asking for help from others, that can't be enforced either, but, it does let people know what is bad sportsmanship.

What's more, using opening databases isn't necessarily cheating, because no opening is perfect. Even if you open perfectly, if your opponent decides to throw a spin, your opening could end up being a terrible idea. Using an opening is no guarantee that you'll have an advantage. Besides, there are openings to counter openings, so it isn't really cheating. Both players have access to certain tools, but, no one is telling them which tool is better or how to adjust the tool in various situations. It's nothing like an engine.

And, the same goes for books. You can get inspiration from other games and learn openings, but, each game is unique come a certain point and, just because some GM played a certain position in a game or recommends an opening does not mean that there was no way to counter the move or punish his opening. In the end, the individual players attempt to discern what the best moves are - books and opening databases don't tell them that. So, it really isn't cheating.

But, thanks for voicing your concern! It's important that we all do to help refine CC to make it a more responsible, safe, and fun environment for all.

Keep Chessing & Stay Brilliant!

Just use the database yourself, you ain't gonna win %100 if you use a random opening from chessreps anyway

Yea, you can always perform return to sender

The whole idea is that daily chess is like correspondence chess. Since it's not live, it's ok to check out opening databases. Realistically, no one's getting checkmated in the opening, anyway

I heard a twitch chesscom streAmer that goes into the daily chess saying it’s perfectly fine to use an engine to calculate xd 🤣 

Yes but when does it become engine based???

Wow

It's the difference between something you can study and something you can't.

Opening tablebases are useful because the opening is always the same.

Engines are useful because they work for EVERY position. That's more OP, wouldn't you say?

Additional Equipment:
In some daily chess, the use of opening databases or chess books may be permitted, but the use of chess engines or tablebases is usually prohibited.

Hi

Yes i know but what is stopping cheaters from using the engine even if its just a couple of moves more

Everybody is on an equal playing field at the start of the game. IF a player loses out of the opening, it is due to their lack of skills, ignorance of the rules, and/or reluctance to use the resources that are permitted. The moment where engine should be an area of concern is the point where there are no reference games for the current position.

The moment where there are no reference games in a position is when players aren't on an equal playing field. This is where it is important to not seek help from others (Engine or higher rated players).

Because it's against the rules? Chess.com cheat detection? Morals?