My ULTRA Aggressive System against the Caro-Kann

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Seems like good, how much your rating and your opponent?

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Great how much your rating?

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mecuelgalapieza έγραψε:

There also is the Hillbilly attack, a kind of blackmar-diemer improved, as c6 is a waste of time for black.

 

Isn't that thing shelved?

 

Of course white does not have to blunder with 7.Nxe4? as GM Williams did, but 6...a5! looks like a very strong novelty- actually white has to be very careful to avoid a very bad position.

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testaaaaa wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
testaaaaa wrote:
SilkyMcNuggets wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
SilkyMcNuggets wrote:

LOL FFS trolls...

 

The point of sharing the game was to just have some fun and share some ideas, but alas, this is chess.com where everyone is apparently a closet GM. 

 

I never said the opening was GOOD, I said it was fun, and quite aggressive. I didn't make it up either, plenty of titled players have played it... Jesus Christ LOL.

 

So sure, it's "bad"... I win with it all the time and it's fun. No one forcing you to play it.

You know what is aggressive too? 2.Bc4 3.Qh5

 

Oh, you mean the go-to opening of IM Perunovic? Lots of chances in it actually. Will take his word over yours.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g72vgnwU6TU

Perunovic claimes he beated 100 gms in the parham not bad

Yeah the same opening that takes the small advantage of white on move 2 and if not played very very optimal it gives black the advantage soon.

out of 1500 titled guys (all time controls) nobody played the most testing moves against him, he would beat you 10/10 in it

So? he is a IM, you are proving nothing

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Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
testaaaaa wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
testaaaaa wrote:
SilkyMcNuggets wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
SilkyMcNuggets wrote:

LOL FFS trolls...

 

The point of sharing the game was to just have some fun and share some ideas, but alas, this is chess.com where everyone is apparently a closet GM. 

 

I never said the opening was GOOD, I said it was fun, and quite aggressive. I didn't make it up either, plenty of titled players have played it... Jesus Christ LOL.

 

So sure, it's "bad"... I win with it all the time and it's fun. No one forcing you to play it.

You know what is aggressive too? 2.Bc4 3.Qh5

 

Oh, you mean the go-to opening of IM Perunovic? Lots of chances in it actually. Will take his word over yours.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g72vgnwU6TU

Perunovic claimes he beated 100 gms in the parham not bad

Yeah the same opening that takes the small advantage of white on move 2 and if not played very very optimal it gives black the advantage soon.

out of 1500 titled guys (all time controls) nobody played the most testing moves against him, he would beat you 10/10 in it

So? he is a IM, you are proving nothing

so what you said its bad without even looking at the video

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testaaaaa wrote:

and what is the most testing line against the bayonett attack for black btw?

 

The bayonet attack is 4 Nc3....not 4 g4.

 

The 4 g4 attack....similar.

 

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drmrboss wrote:

I didnot study much in 3. e5 advance variation,  as I thought it is not as good as 3. Nc3/3. Nd2 (the mainlines!)

 

Get cracking lol....if you dont take the advance variation seriously you will be butt-hurt quickly.

 

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thanks nighteyes!happy.png

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testaaaaa wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
testaaaaa wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
testaaaaa wrote:
SilkyMcNuggets wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
SilkyMcNuggets wrote:

LOL FFS trolls...

 

The point of sharing the game was to just have some fun and share some ideas, but alas, this is chess.com where everyone is apparently a closet GM. 

 

I never said the opening was GOOD, I said it was fun, and quite aggressive. I didn't make it up either, plenty of titled players have played it... Jesus Christ LOL.

 

So sure, it's "bad"... I win with it all the time and it's fun. No one forcing you to play it.

You know what is aggressive too? 2.Bc4 3.Qh5

 

Oh, you mean the go-to opening of IM Perunovic? Lots of chances in it actually. Will take his word over yours.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g72vgnwU6TU

Perunovic claimes he beated 100 gms in the parham not bad

Yeah the same opening that takes the small advantage of white on move 2 and if not played very very optimal it gives black the advantage soon.

out of 1500 titled guys (all time controls) nobody played the most testing moves against him, he would beat you 10/10 in it

So? he is a IM, you are proving nothing

so what you said its bad without even looking at the video

I saw the videa and the point he gives is that he wins becouse of the psychological factor and not becouse of a better position

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no thats not true only a few positions are "poker chess" in the rest its equal

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drmrboss wrote:

I play 3... c5! 4. c3 Nc6 5. Be2 cxd4 6.cxd4 Bf5 Variation. Stockfish 8 liked 3....c5! variation in 2017 so  I chosed that 3....c5! variation.

Current Stockfish Dev 10 version still like this 3.... c5 variation!, >>>

But why the constant ! after ...c5? It isn't as if 3... c5 is superior to all else, so it doesn't get a !.
Only GMs who are self-promoting write chess books like that.

 

Well, as I said, I chose 3. ....c5 because stockfish choose it. I dont trust GM books! e.g I have seen a lot of opening position on Benoni and Budapest whereas those books might say black is ok, but it is not in TCEC computer chess.

GM books or human games are based on statistics, and evaluation of current position.

Computer evaluation are based on perfection(depending on amount of calculation) and evaluation of unseen position at depth 30-50 whereas most cant understand how those evaluations come from.

 

Following computer evaluation is like riding a mad horse. However, if you know how this mad horse will behave, then it is fun and enjoyable. These are my tips how to follow the computer evaluations.

1. You must already be good at tactics, computers know almost nothing except tactics.

2. An evaluation of +1.50 doesnt mean stockfish see this position as +1.50, stockfish see the end  position of his principal variation at certain depth.

3. Current stockfish has contempt of 0.21( so he will always do overestimate position with +0.21, that means, rather than seeing 0.00 in equal position, current stockfish will evaluate as +0.21).

4. To know how stockfish evaluate current position , 

use the following command

"eval position fen (your fen position)

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3. In this diagram stockfish static evaluation is seen on the right side of table. However the evaluation of his position +0.53 means the position is based on depth 26 from his principal variation of the top line. To know  where this position is coming from, stop the stockfish, follow the game according to position which end as "the position end as Rab1 and 0-0). and then evaluate the position again what stockfish think.

 

4. As stockfish evaluation come from perfection (based on calculated moves), +1.50 doesnt means you are likely to win.

There is a possibility that stockfish see 1 position as +1.50 but other 99 positions can be a loss. So in practical play , you may end as 99% losing by following the engine line in case you missed a single tactics. grin.png

5. Know Fail low and Fail high

When stockfish is changing the principal evaluation on his main root, there is Fail low or Fail high, stockfish need to calculate the  excluded lines again from the first search, so give enough time to stockfish to evaluate again.

6. Always give enough time yourself to evaluate most of the possible positions. As I mentioned above, +1.50 means it is trust able only when you already analysed another 99 positions. So using computer evaluation may take you about 100 times more time consuming than human evaluation.

7. Have your own chess knowledge, 

Stockfish may misevaluate +2.00 in different color bishop ending or fortress positions, and you must know by your own that the position is equal. grin.png 

In conclusion,  Human evaluations based on the current position is more reliable than computer evaluation based on the extreme depth of a position that you never know. (P.S, however, I have been following computer programming for more than 5 years and I always enjoy with my guinea pig, stockfish)

 

 

 

 

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Optimissed wrote:

Stockfish prefer 4.c3, while Leela prefer 4. dxc5.>>

I've preferred dc over c3 in the French Advance for years. It's quite an old idea that gives white the opportunity to set black some less usual problems. Here in the Caro, the normal line is ... Bf5. I don't believe 3. ....c5 is superior but it does look interesting and maybe gives black better winning chances than Bf5 if and only if he's stronger than white. If white is the stronger player, it looks rather unsafe for black.

Actually Leela evaluation is much more trust-able than stockfish , provided that they both are same strength. (however Leela is still 200-300 elo below stockfish)

Leela prefer 4. dxc5 based on her own statistical experiences .That means 4.dxc5 has more chance of winning in her experience (she already had +20 million trained games) 

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drmrboss wrote:

Well, as I said, I chose 3. ....c5 because stockfish choose it. I dont trust GM books!

OK Phoenyx....

 

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Isn't 3...c5 a gambit?

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CoolBreezeG έγραψε:

Isn't 3...c5 a gambit?

Yes, although Black gets the pawn back in most lines, but faces a few positional challenges.

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@Alltheusernamestaken challange me to a game in the Qh5 line (2+1 - 10+0) if you gut the guts all i know is what is shown in the video (but at least i watched it 1 timewink.png)

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testaaaaa wrote:

@Alltheusernamestaken challange me to a game in the Qh5 line (2+1 - 10+0) if you gut the guts all i know is what is shown in the video (but at least i watched it 1 time)

Hahaha if I have the guts? Lets go

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challenged @Alltheusernamestaken to 3+0 rated and he went offline

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I accepted @testaaaaa challenge and this happened:

EASY WIN