N+B+K v. K - has it ever happened?

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varelse1

I have been playing chess 25 years. It has happenend to me exactly once. In a live game. And I had just been studying them, too. Unfortunatly, I only had a few seconds on my clock, and had to settle for a draw.

NimzoRoy
Scottrf wrote:

"You will end up scoring a lot more points if you devote the same time and effort into increasing your proficiency at Rook and pawn endings, which occur in nearly half of all endgames."

It only took me 15 minutes, hardly a big waste.

Yeah but will you remember it several yrs later? I've had to take several "refresher" lessons over the years even though I know all the basics (you can only mate in or next to the corner the Bishop controls, the King and Kt cover the squares the Bishop can't, etc etc)

Now I think I finally have it down and maybe Estragon was right after all, but not in your case if you can really do the Mate In 34 in 5-10 minutes OTB no matter how long ago you studied this. 

AND, K+Q vs K+R is way harder IMHO than this ending I've studied it several times and still don't think I "get it" and it's also rare, which is fortunate because the one time (eons ago) I had the K+Q vs K+R I couldn't win!

Scottrf

Well I can certainly do the technique corner to corner, I imagine I could still get to a corner, but may struggle under time pressure.

plutonia

Once you reach the Philidor position (there's a Philidor in Q vs R) it's an easy win. The problem if getting through the "third rank defence". Apparently it was invented by a computer.

NimzoRoy
plutonia wrote:

Once you reach the Philidor position (there's a Philidor in Q vs R) it's an easy win. The problem if getting through the "third rank defence". Apparently it was invented by a computer.

In 1978 GM Walter Browne was unpleasantly surprised to discover he couldn't beat a PC (Belle, the "Deep Blue" of chess back then) playing K+Q vs K+R "off the top of his head" with no preparation. He had to study the ending prior to his victorious rematch. I dunno who invented the "third rank defense" but  I figure if a decent GM like Browne had trouble here trying to win this ending "cold turkey" so will a lot of patzers - like me for instance.