at that level chess izza one-move game.
btw isnt magnus like 80 points higher than nepo ?...thats like whopping at that level !
Nepo - it's just embarrassing for the game now.
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snoozyman wrote:
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Thanks! I'll need it.
Op, what an absolute disgrace to mankind you are.
Who the fk are you to judge Nepo the way you do? You sound like you are super GM yourself, and could easily do better than him.
No, you are simply a jerk who is light years behind Nepo's understanding of chess.
Like, how can someone who is incredibly incompetent on the vastly complex game of chess (like the person you are), dare to criticize the challenger for the World Chess Champion title, in the MANNER you do?!
How does that make any sense?
Accusing him of playing Petrov defense on a must win situation and claiming that he's offering him a draw on move 2.
Bruh, he spent like half an year preparing for the match and let me tell you something, chess is not like you think it is, watching the eval bar and saying "oh its a draw". It's much more than that... He can spare you a queen and be like -10 and you will still lose.
Maybe he's feeling confident in this opening and he is hoping for a little bit of advantage in the endgame. Clearly, his plan didn't work out well, but dude...
Show some respect for the man and his incredible achievments in chess, for god's sake.
The only achievment in your life is creating hate posts on internet about people much more successful than you.Facts.
So keep staying in the hole you are in, and watch your mouth when you speak of the greatest in the game.
IMKeto wrote:
How many people can say that they challenged for the world title in something?
People would laugh at the Buffalo Bills because they lost 4 super bowls in a row. Sure they lost them, but to be able to get back to the championship game 4 years straight is impressive.
What nepo is doing is NOT impressive at all. The manner in which he is losing is pathetic. Let me give you an example. I don't know who buffalo bills are but i assume u understand basketball?
Now, imagine if the prime player of your team had 10 full minutes to land a ball in the basket which he is standing next to and he messes up... would you call that awesome? this is the scale of horrible play we are working with here as far as nepo is concerned.
If it was blitz i'd understand. If he was in severe time pressure i would get it... but come on, not spotting c6 when u have 50 mins? the position was just very simple to analyze. His c pawn was attacked so he could either defend it by pushing it up or give it away. Ofcourse the first move u look is to keep the pawn by pushing it up... but even if he did not spot that his bishop was being trapped, c6 in response to c5 is an idea which should be automatic to a 2780 player. It's extremely common to play such moves to prevent the strong bishop deep in your position from getting strongly connected with a pawn which makes it impossible for the bishop to be dismantled. Allowing c6 also gives white Nc5.
That mistake was way, way too trivial, it's infuriating. It's as if messi misses a wide open goal shot from 10 feet which he had 10 minutes to execute. It's pathetic
I dare anyone to try and get a draw against Ian Bot.
DrJetlag wrote:
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
IMKeto wrote:
How many people can say that they challenged for the world title in something?
People would laugh at the Buffalo Bills because they lost 4 super bowls in a row. Sure they lost them, but to be able to get back to the championship game 4 years straight is impressive.
What nepo is doing is NOT impressive at all. The manner in which he is losing is pathetic. Let me give you an example. I don't know who buffalo bills are but i assume u understand basketball?
Now, imagine if the prime player of your team had 10 full minutes to land a ball in the basket which he is standing next to and he messes up... would you call that awesome? this is the scale of horrible play we are working with here as far as nepo is concerned.
If it was blitz i'd understand. If he was in severe time pressure i would get it... but come on, not spotting c6 when u have 50 mins? the position was just very simple to analyze. His c pawn was attacked so he could either defend it by pushing it up or give it away. Ofcourse the first move u look is to keep the pawn by pushing it up... but even if he did not spot that his bishop was being trapped, c6 in response to c5 is an idea which should be automatic to a 2780 player. It's extremely common to play such moves to prevent the strong bishop deep in your position from getting strongly connected with a pawn which makes it impossible for the bishop to be dismantled. Allowing c6 also gives white Nc5.
That mistake was way, way too trivial, it's infuriating. It's as if messi misses a wide open goal shot from 10 feet which he had 10 minutes to execute. It's pathetic
Messi has missed opportunities in important games that he would have converted under different circumstances. Sure, it's disappointing, but they are not doing it on purpose. I don't understand why people feel the need to put someone down who messes up.
Just no. You cannot compare football and basketball on the same level as slow, classical chess and i mentioned it in my answer which u purposely ignored. I said if messi had 10 MINUTES to score a wide open goal from 10 feet away... imagine that, he had 10 minutes to do it and he still messes up... that is the amount of horrible play this has been
Snookslayer wrote:
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
That mistake was way, way too trivial, it's infuriating.
It was a terrible blunder considering Nepo's clock and rating. But I seriously doubt he would've blundered so badly had he not been down 2 games. Clearly he'd already mentally checked out knowing the match was already over.
Sadly this tournament debacle will likely haunt him the rest of his life. I'd be shocked if he ever won another Candidates tournament.
Don't be so sure about that. Remember what happened to Anand. He lost absolutely horribly in 2013, then won the candidates in 2014
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Snookslayer wrote:
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
That mistake was way, way too trivial, it's infuriating.
It was a terrible blunder considering Nepo's clock and rating. But I seriously doubt he would've blundered so badly had he not been down 2 games. Clearly he'd already mentally checked out knowing the match was already over.
Sadly this tournament debacle will likely haunt him the rest of his life. I'd be shocked if he ever won another Candidates tournament.
I keep thinking of Ivkov.
Hopefully it won't come to that.
“I'd be shocked if he ever won another Candidates tournament”
He won’t. But then not many do that, even a great player like Kramnik never won a Candidates even after playing quite a few of them. Nepo rarely has a whole event where he is at his best and was maybe fortunate that these Candidates in practice became two separate tournaments, that it was played in his home country while other players had to be quarantined away from home for a long time, and the best players were out of form. Many things together made his surprise win possible.
But then he is of course also a great player. Not younger than Carlsen and will maybe never be top three though.
These few negative posters (the majority have expressed a positive spirit) clearly are making their criticism of Nepo’s play about themselves. Make it appear as if they are somehow better than the rest, better than the challenger, would never make mistakes under WC match conditions. Such expressed attitudes are easily recognized for what they are. For the most part it has been refreshing viewing and reading the majority of posts that have taken a positive perspective, understand what such a match entails and the pressures encountered. A few mistakes prove critical- Magnus does not miss such opportunities. The match has been sometime in coming. Exciting to watch for us hobbyists. Those that bash and rag on the players can take a hike. Ignore them. They contribute nothing.
“Sadly this tournament debacle will likely haunt him the rest of his life. I'd be shocked if he ever won another Candidates tournament.”
Ignorance comes to mind
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Even though Nepo made a few bad mistakes that cost him three games, I feel that the match format isn't all that fair, honestly. I think it was more fair in the old days, where players would just adjourn a game after 40 moves and continue the next day with the same time controls. This FIDE madness of accelerated time controls after move 40 and especially move 61 is a disgrace to classical chess and makes things borderline unethical, where players are incentivized to play for a win in situations that are a dead draw or close to one. Yes, Carlsen's win in game #6 was nothing short of spectacular, but I doubt it would have happened if they played under regular time controls.
That said, I think that Nepo could have been better prepared psychologically. He's a terrific player, and people aren't criticizing him because he's a bad player. They criticize him because he's very, very good, and they feel he fell a bit short of the standard they're used to seeing from him. Also, I think top chess players are fair game when it comes to criticism. It's a part of being in the spotlight (a public figure), and spectators should not have to be GM's themselves in order to be allowed to criticize top GM play. If that were the case, all that would mean would be that we lived in a very sad, snobbish and elitist world.
PhiRev wrote:
Even though Nepo made a few bad mistakes that cost him three games, I feel that the match format isn't all that fair, honestly. I think it was more fair in the old days, where players would just adjourn a game after 40 moves and continue the next day with the same time controls. This FIDE madness of accelerated time controls after move 40 and especially move 61 is a disgrace to classical chess and makes things borderline unethical, where players are incentivized to play for a win in situations that are a dead draw or close to one. Yes, Carlsen's win in game #6 was nothing short of spectacular, but I doubt it would have happened if they played under regular time controls.
That said, I think that Nepo could have been better prepared psychologically. He's a terrific player, and people aren't criticizing him because he's a bad player. They criticize him because he's very, very good, and they feel he fell a bit short of the standard they're used to seeing from him. Also, I think top chess players are fair game when it comes to criticism. It's a part of being in the spotlight (a public figure), and spectators should not have to be GM's themselves in order to be allowed to criticize top GM play. If that were the case, all that would mean would be that we lived in a very sad, snobbish and elitist world.
To be fair, the whole point adjournment is for the better, since after all, if you do so, they basically get a whole analysis, and that's not fair, since the whole game is all about thinking, as well as endurances.
PhiRev wrote:
Even though Nepo made a few bad mistakes that cost him three games, I feel that the match format isn't all that fair, honestly. I think it was more fair in the old days, where players would just adjourn a game after 40 moves and continue the next day with the same time controls. This FIDE madness of accelerated time controls after move 40 and especially move 61 is a disgrace to classical chess and makes things borderline unethical, where players are incentivized to play for a win in situations that are a dead draw or close to one. Yes, Carlsen's win in game #6 was nothing short of spectacular, but I doubt it would have happened if they played under regular time controls.
That said, I think that Nepo could have been better prepared psychologically. He's a terrific player, and people aren't criticizing him because he's a bad player. They criticize him because he's very, very good, and they feel he fell a bit short of the standard they're used to seeing from him. Also, I think top chess players are fair game when it comes to criticism. It's a part of being in the spotlight (a public figure), and spectators should not have to be GM's themselves in order to be allowed to criticize top GM play. If that were the case, all that would mean would be that we lived in a very sad, snobbish and elitist world.
They can't do adjounrment anymore, since in this day and age, the next day it would be stockfish playing stockfish. They would just run it through Stockfish right after the adjournment, and we would all do the same, and the next day they would just play the computer lines against each other. It would also come down to who had the better hardware as well, which really isn't ethical. Now yes, I KNOW that in the old days player would have teams of grandmasters helping them all night, but at least it was human mind vs human mind. and I KNOW the opening is basically Computer vs Computer, but most of the game is still thinking. Since about 2001-2003 or so, computers have made adjournment kinda obselete.
themaskedbishop wrote:
Sorry guys, yes he's human and we all make mistakes blah blah but these blunders at a World Championship event are unforgivable. It's not even dramatic, it's just pathetic. Maybe he can play the Bongcloud opening tomorrow.
What do you want to do? Kill him? Shoot him? Ban him from Chess forever? What is the point you're trying to make? That you're just annoyed? You can't script the moves for them. It is what is is and they are human. No one works their whole life to play in the World Championship to blunder on purpose. He couldn't help it. He just didn't see it, and he said that at the press conference. You're allowed to be annoyed but...oh well. That's the extent of there being any point to his. You can complain but we aren't going to shoot Nepo or kick him out of chess. Everyone like "Oh a 1500 wouldn't make that mistake." Oh Yess they do!! I've seen hundreds of players all the way up to 2000 make mistakes like that ALL the time. Not many after 2200, sure. But...people, even Grandmasters, get tired, nervous, or lose focus. And then this happens.
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He could help it. He had plenty of time on his clock. He played too fast. In the 1970 blitz tournament 5|0 of Herceg Novi Fischer did not hang a single pawn. Nepo hangs a pawn and then a bishop with plenty of time.
Maybe he was exhausted from the marathon game where he unnecessarily lost a table base draw. He could have done more physical preparation to increase his stamina.
Anyway, he is qualified for the next Candidates' Tournament, so he gets a second chance to become the challenger again and do better. Smyslov and Spassky also needed 2 tries.
... And of course the most recent loss was due to a blunder worthy of a 1500 rated player.
Well ... not necessarily ...
Both Polgar (2675 FIDE) and Caruana (2792 FIDE) suggested the same c5 move.
Neither of them saw that it was a blunder, until another commentator pointed it out. (Giri saw the blunder, and pointed it out to Polgar; Hess saw the blunder, and pointed it out to Caruana).
Both Polgar and Caruana didn't see the ...c6 response, until someone else mentioned it. Which shows how unnoticeable the move was for some players, if they weren't looking for it.
Should Nepo have seen it? Absolutely. With all the time on the clock he had, he should've sat there and calculated every reasonable response that Magnus could've played. By doing so, he would've eventually spotted ...c6.
Instead he rushed ahead, and paid the price for it.
But the c5 move looked natural enough that other GMs suggested it as a candidate move ... including the highest-rated female player in history ... and the current world #4.