No limits to what you can do so how about becoming a Grand Master

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chessmaster102

Consider this: your 18 so no more school distractions and your a millionaire so you can travel to any tournament you want across the globe without worrying about any kind of expensises plus you have a diffrent GM,IM,SM,FM,NM,CM each and everyday to coach you (non of the top 50 in world tho) plus enough money to also buy any book/software you want or chess website memberships. You have a personal tournament director at your service to throw any kind of tournament you want and it can always be rated and anyone you want to invite will come and the top players (top ten have a journal in which they write there day to day chess activities even telling discoveries they made and sending this journal directly to you plus the house you live in is haunted by past world champions and other famous players who are only able to play and only want to play you but will also play eachother for your amusement. NOW EVEN THOUGH YOUR RATED A AVERAGE 1600 WHATS YOUR BEST PLAN OF ACTION TO BECOMING GRAND MASTER BEFORE YOUR 30 ??

repossession

You forgot about willingness, talent, and Carlsen.

SmyslovFan

Could you become a world champion marathoner given the same conditions?   How many world chess champions have there been who did so before their 30th birthday?  And how many billions of people have there been on the planet during that time?

It's not just about time and resources. It's about talent, desire, competition...

mattersend

Volition alone will get you there.

mattersend

But to entertain your post (which I found quite awesome), I would play Bobby Fischer's ghost non stop and ask him to constantly live annotate his moves and my moves.  Even if I didn't make it to grandmaster, I would enjoy getting my arse handed to me over and over by the greatest :)

chessmaster102
SmyslovFan wrote:

Could you become a world champion marathoner given the same conditions?   How many world chess champions have there been who did so before their 30th birthday?  And how many billions of people have there been on the planet during that time?

It's not just about time and resources. It's about talent, desire, competition...

usually id agree but not so sure since theres not one palyer who has all these circumstances in there life not a competitve one anyway.I think since these conditions cant be placed unto some player its not right to say they wont reach there goal. I also think that givin these conditions a average person might become world champion (probabbly older than 30) thus ending the idea of talent exsiting but then again oncce that guy does beomce world champion the main people who said he didnt have the talent will suddenly be like "oh well of course he bacame world champion not because of his resourse but because of his natural talent"Tongue Out Karpov for example since Botvinnik doubted him but then again he got the tittle sorta by luck 

cabadenwurt

OK if I understand this thread I'm 18 years old and also a Millionaire right ? So then I'm going to buckle down for years and only study Chess, not too likely. I might do the promoter thing and run a few tournaments in the Summers and then spend the Winters on my yacht in the Caribbean and the Mediterranean ( alternate years for each ). Smile

Davidjordan
chessmaster102 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

Could you become a world champion marathoner given the same conditions?   How many world chess champions have there been who did so before their 30th birthday?  And how many billions of people have there been on the planet during that time?

It's not just about time and resources. It's about talent, desire, competition...

usually id agree but not so sure since theres not one palyer who has all these circumstances in there life not a competitve one anyway.I think since these conditions cant be placed unto some player its not right to say they wont reach there goal. I also think that givin these conditions a average person might become world champion (probabbly older than 30) thus ending the idea of talent exsiting but then again oncce that guy does beomce world champion the main people who said he didnt have the talent will suddenly be like "oh well of course he bacame world champion not because of his resourse but because of his natural talent" Karpov for example since Botvinnik doubted him but then again he got the tittle sorta by luck 

lol im not a atheist but just like atheist say people made up religion to cope with this or that fact of life I think people create the idea of talent as a excuse of why they didnt accomplish one thing or another especially so in chess since you can be 50 and still play a very good game but in another objective like tennis its obvious your done for top events.I think Lazlo experiment with all 3 of his daughters (the Polgars sisters) confirms that talent doesn't exist in chess people argue with things like "so and so become a master at this age and im this age even though ive been working harder and longer on the game so talent does exist when in fact alot of people fail to consider that the other person studied a good amount of time on the RIGHT STUFF while the other older guy spent a lot of time on the WRONG STUFF. WORK SMARTER NOT HARDERSmile

chessmaster102
cabadenwurt wrote:

OK if I understand this thread I'm 18 years old and also a Millionare right ? So then I'm going to buckle down for years and only study Chess, not too likely. I might do the promoter thing and run a few tournaments in the Summer and then spend the Winter on my yacht in the Caribbean and the Mediterranean ( alternate years for each ).

the question was only meant for someone who devotes themselves to chess natrually

MSteen

Two points here: 1) 18 and 2) 1600.

Those players today from whom the next World Champion will emerge have already achieved GM by the age of 18.

Any other discussion is moot.

chessmaster102
Davidjordan wrote:
chessmaster102 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

Could you become a world champion marathoner given the same conditions?   How many world chess champions have there been who did so before their 30th birthday?  And how many billions of people have there been on the planet during that time?

It's not just about time and resources. It's about talent, desire, competition...

usually id agree but not so sure since theres not one palyer who has all these circumstances in there life not a competitve one anyway.I think since these conditions cant be placed unto some player its not right to say they wont reach there goal. I also think that givin these conditions a average person might become world champion (probabbly older than 30) thus ending the idea of talent exsiting but then again oncce that guy does beomce world champion the main people who said he didnt have the talent will suddenly be like "oh well of course he bacame world champion not because of his resourse but because of his natural talent" Karpov for example since Botvinnik doubted him but then again he got the tittle sorta by luck 

lol im not a atheist but just like atheist say people made up religion to cope with this or that fact of life I think people create the idea of talent as a excuse of why they didnt accomplish one thing or another especially so in chess since you can be 50 and still play a very good game but in another objective like tennis its obvious your done for top events.I think Lazlo experiment with all 3 of his daughters (the Polgars sisters) confirms that talent doesn't exist in chess people argue with things like "so and so become a master at this age and im this age even though ive been working harder and longer on the game so talent does exist when in fact alot of people fail to consider that the other person studied a good amount of time on the RIGHT STUFF while the other older guy spent a lot of time on the WRONG STUFF. WORK SMARTER NOT HARDER

Interesting argument im starting to lean towards hardwork more just by this but please lets not steer this thread into a "TALENT vs. HARD WORK type of topicSmile

SmyslovFan

"please lets not steer this thread into a "TALENT vs. HARD WORK type of topic"

What do you think is the topic of this thread, if not a talent vs hard work topic?

The OP's premise is that hard work alone can make you a world champion. as if none of the current titled players who play chess as a living are working hard at their game.

If it were possible to become a world champion by hard work alone, someone would have done it already! There are plenty of people who have devoted their lives to chess. Mark Dvoretsky has been playing chess all his life. He has trained some of the best grandmasters of the last 20 years. And yet he himself never made it to Grandmaster. Was he just doing something wrong?

ThrillerFan

Under 30, lots of them, especially the latter years!

Lasker - Born 1868 - World Champion in 1894
Tal - Born 1936 - World Champion in 1960
Fischer - Born 1943 - World Champion in 1972
Karpov - Born 1951 - World Champion in 1975
Kasparov - Born 1963 - World Champion in 1985
Kramnik - Born 1975 - World Champion in 2000

chessmaster102
ThrillerFan wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

Could you become a world champion marathoner given the same conditions?   How many world chess champions have there been who did so before their 30th birthday?  And how many billions of people have there been on the planet during that time?

It's not just about time and resources. It's about talent, desire, competition...

Under 30, lots of them, especially the latter years!

Lasker - Born 1868 - World Champion in 1894
Tal - Born 1936 - World Champion in 1960
Fischer - Born 1943 - World Champion in 1972
Karpov - Born 1951 - World Champion in 1975
Kasparov - Born 1963 - World Champion in 1985
Kramnik - Born 1975 - World Champion in 2000

Unoffically 

Philidor

Morphy

waffllemaster
chessmaster102 wrote:

Consider this: your 18 so no more school distractions and your a millionaire so you can travel to any tournament you want across the globe without worrying about any kind of expensises plus you have a diffrent GM,IM,SM,FM,NM,CM each and everyday to coach you (non of the top 50 in world tho) plus enough money to also buy any book/software you want or chess website memberships. You have a personal tournament director at your service to throw any kind of tournament you want and it can always be rated and anyone you want to invite will come and the top players (top ten have a journal in which they write there day to day chess activities even telling discoveries they made and sending this journal directly to you plus the house you live in is haunted by past world champions and other famous players who are only able to play and only want to play you but will also play eachother for your amusement. NOW EVEN THOUGH YOUR RATED A AVERAGE 1600 WHATS YOUR BEST PLAN OF ACTION TO BECOMING WORLD CHAMPION BEFORE YOUR 30 ??

Best plan of action?  Hmm.  It would be very difficult, but not impossible.

The most reasonable plan of action would be along these lines.  First, spend the next 11 years (until you're 29) getting as good at chess as you can.  Also during this time, host amazing tournaments for top players, spending nearly all your money offering lavish treatment and big prizes.

Before you turn 30, you organize a multiple tournaments being sure to invite each and every person stronger than you.  You will have them all killed.

This leaves roughly a year to win a world championship or at least be recognized as the strongest living player.

Otherwise you have no chance.  Obviously you won't be able to do it by raising your chess skills high enough.

ThrillerFan

I will be the Oldest Ever World Champion:

Myself - Born 1975 - World Champion 2055!

chessmaster102
SmyslovFan wrote:

"please lets not steer this thread into a "TALENT vs. HARD WORK type of topic"

What do you think is the topic of this thread, if not a talent vs hard work topic?

The OP's premise is that hard work alone can make you a world champion. as if none of the current titled players who play chess as a living are working hard at their game.

If it were possible to become a world champion by hard work alone, someone would have done it already! There are plenty of people who have devoted their lives to chess. Mark Dvoretsky has been playing chess all his life. He has trained some of the best grandmasters of the last 20 years. And yet he himself never made it to Grandmaster. Was he just doing something wrong?

maybe he was you dont know him personally do you or live with him not to be offensive but theres alot of reasons why he didnt maybe cause he simply chose not to go for that or maybe his teaching took to much time away from bettering himself or maybe its some psyhcological thing he has against some opposistion of some kind. Using him isnt really convincing at all.

The topic was meant to simply see what would people do to try for the title with all that resources if you still personally think its not possible that s fine you can still post options of trial cant you ?

chessmaster102
waffllemaster wrote:
chessmaster102 wrote:

Consider this: your 18 so no more school distractions and your a millionaire so you can travel to any tournament you want across the globe without worrying about any kind of expensises plus you have a diffrent GM,IM,SM,FM,NM,CM each and everyday to coach you (non of the top 50 in world tho) plus enough money to also buy any book/software you want or chess website memberships. You have a personal tournament director at your service to throw any kind of tournament you want and it can always be rated and anyone you want to invite will come and the top players (top ten have a journal in which they write there day to day chess activities even telling discoveries they made and sending this journal directly to you plus the house you live in is haunted by past world champions and other famous players who are only able to play and only want to play you but will also play eachother for your amusement. NOW EVEN THOUGH YOUR RATED A AVERAGE 1600 WHATS YOUR BEST PLAN OF ACTION TO BECOMING WORLD CHAMPION BEFORE YOUR 30 ??

Best plan of action?  Hmm.  It would be very difficult, but not impossible.

The most reasonable plan of action would be along these lines.  First, spend the next 11 years (until you're 29) getting as good at chess as you can.  Also during this time, host amazing tournaments for top players, spending nearly all your money offering lavish treatment and big prizes.

Before you turn 30, you organize a multiple tournaments being sure to invite each and every person stronger than you.  You will have them all killed.

This leaves roughly a year to win a world championship or at least be recognized as the strongest living player.

Otherwise you have no chance.  Obviously you won't be able to do it by raising your chess skills high enough.

lol impretty sure no one would wont to play so yea youd be world champ alright

chessmaster102
SmyslovFan wrote:

"please lets not steer this thread into a "TALENT vs. HARD WORK type of topic"

What do you think is the topic of this thread, if not a talent vs hard work topic?

The OP's premise is that hard work alone can make you a world champion. as if none of the current titled players who play chess as a living are working hard at their game.

If it were possible to become a world champion by hard work alone, someone would have done it already! There are plenty of people who have devoted their lives to chess. Mark Dvoretsky has been playing chess all his life. He has trained some of the best grandmasters of the last 20 years. And yet he himself never made it to Grandmaster. Was he just doing something wrong?

you know they more I think about it its hard not to say this isnt one of those topics mainly because I said World champion so how about GM instead .Smile

waffllemaster
chessmaster102 wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:

Best plan of action?  Hmm.  It would be very difficult, but not impossible.

The most reasonable plan of action would be along these lines.  First, spend the next 11 years (until you're 29) getting as good at chess as you can.  Also during this time, host amazing tournaments for top players, spending nearly all your money offering lavish treatment and big prizes.

Before you turn 30, you organize a multiple tournaments being sure to invite each and every person stronger than you.  You will have them all killed.

This leaves roughly a year to win a world championship or at least be recognized as the strongest living player.

Otherwise you have no chance.  Obviously you won't be able to do it by raising your chess skills high enough.

lol impretty sure no one would wont to play so yea youd be world champ alright

Why would no one want to play you?

But that actually may be a better method.  Intimidation / bribery would be more realistic.  That other thing was my first thought.  This is a better answer.