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Tungsten-Squid wrote:

Novices need to prepare more realistically, meaning actually practicing the move sequences, over and over again, needed to convert the point.  Otherwise they won't be sufficiently prepared to apply them in their tournament games (where it would be ridiculous to complain if an opponent doesn't resign "soon enough").  I can understand expert and stronger players expecting the respect of a sophisticated opponent resigning a lost position.  But novices simply haven't earned that level of respect yet.

If I could learn and understand when a lost position goes past the point of no return and needs to be resigned at the age of 8, then anybody can understand it.  Novices are not dumb.

"Ok, I see you are rolling my lone king down the board with your two rooks using the correct technique, and mate is imminent.  Good game.  Another?"

Simple.

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btickler wrote:
Tungsten-Squid wrote:

Novices need to prepare more realistically, meaning actually practicing the move sequences, over and over again, needed to convert the point.  Otherwise they won't be sufficiently prepared to apply them in their tournament games (where it would be ridiculous to complain if an opponent doesn't resign "soon enough").  I can understand expert and stronger players expecting the respect of a sophisticated opponent resigning a lost position.  But novices simply haven't earned that level of respect yet.

If I could learn and understand when a lost position goes past the point of no return and needs to be resigned at the age of 8, then anybody can understand it.  Novices are not dumb.

"Ok, I see you are rolling my lone king down the board with your two rooks using the correct technique, and mate is imminent.  Good game.  Another?"

Simple.

 

Extreme imbalances are easy to joke about, but most positions are unclear.  When in doubt (for whatever skill level), the simple and logical thing to do is play on.  If a player has a "won" game, it should be a simple matter to finish off the opponent (Too impatient to implement basic technique?  Maybe chess is not for you).  Remember, we were discussing players like the OP who are around novice/improving player level.

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You didn't resign on move 20/21, down 3 passed pawns. Looks completely lost to me, yet you played on and they blunder it away.

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It's the ultimate irony that the OP didn't resign when losing, hoped his opponent would blunder, they did and when the opponent played on the OP is complaining.

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"The "never surrender" marching band crowd will never get that they are hurting their own chess game by not learning when to properly resign.  "

Resign early and often kids! The more you resign, the quicker you'll make master

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For some people achieving a stalemate may be the highlight of their day.

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Honestly, you can play on if you are playing a beginner or bullet game, but when you are down a million pieces and it's  a long time control, it is simply disrespectful to not resign. Perhaps you should promote to knights and bishops and simply laugh if your opponent doesn't resign.

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TheCalculatorKid wrote:

As the majority have said, playing on is the best choice. Especially against an opponent who isn't trying to win any more.

What majority? I believe it is even

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I mean look at this game here. I'm pretty tired as it's late and I've made some huge blunders. But my opponent is a 1500 level player so I knew I had a chance to swindle stalemate. 

 

You can see my series of moves is clearly setting a stalemate trap, but instead of him easily checkmating me, he tries to teach me a lesson which enables me to swindle the stalemate. 

 

It's because of players like this I'll only resign when I have to leave a game. 

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Well, I'm sure spending your time getting that stalemate in such an important game gives you a warm fuzzy feeling!

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@glamdring27 it wasn't an important game, none of the games on this site are important. It's merely a hobby to pass the time. But yes swindling a stalemate after hanging a rook and a queen is a good feeling indeed.

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In this particular situation it makes sense to not resign. Given how many mistakes white made its reasonable to assume it's possible yet another might be made. Lots of mistakes on both sides, so why resign when the likelihood of more mistakes is so high?

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Completely agree.

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me to

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PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

You didn't resign on move 20/21, down 3 passed pawns. Looks completely lost to me, yet you played on and they blunder it away.

As I've explained at least twice already, I'm talking about being down like 10 points worth in material in or near an endgame, not down 2 pawns with almost all the pieces still on the board. Not sure what is so difficult to understand about that for you and Calculator boy.

My opponent spent about almost 10 moves moving his king between b2 and d2 harassing my rook while waiting for me to get a queen, which he had no way of preventing.

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DerekDHarvey wrote:

Tell them to resign?

Yeah like that's going to work. 

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TheCalculatorKid wrote:

 

I mean look at this game here. I'm pretty tired as it's late and I've made some huge blunders. But my opponent is a 1500 level player so I knew I had a chance to swindle stalemate. 

 

You can see my series of moves is clearly setting a stalemate trap, but instead of him easily checkmating me, he tries to teach me a lesson which enables me to swindle the stalemate. 

 

It's because of players like this I'll only resign when I have to leave a game. 

that's a good swindle... but if white wasn't so materialistic he would have just taken on g7 on move 43. easy win... 

In bullet it's generally good strategy to give away material to get an easy win.

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My view is that the possibilities of stalemate or some random win are too small when simply down a piece for no compensation, so it would be better use of my time to resign and play a new game, where I have better chances of winning. 

I'm not taking time control into consideration in the above statement.

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SNUDOO wrote:
TheCalculatorKid wrote:

 

I mean look at this game here. I'm pretty tired as it's late and I've made some huge blunders. But my opponent is a 1500 level player so I knew I had a chance to swindle stalemate. 

 

You can see my series of moves is clearly setting a stalemate trap, but instead of him easily checkmating me, he tries to teach me a lesson which enables me to swindle the stalemate. 

 

It's because of players like this I'll only resign when I have to leave a game. 

that's a good swindle... but if white wasn't so materialistic he would have just taken on g7 on move 43. easy win... 

In bullet it's generally good strategy to give away material to get an easy win.

Rook h8# is a better use on 43...

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didn't see that lol. In bullet I like captures, or checks, or captures with checks. wink.png