Not trying to be a jerk but. Are women worse at chess than men?

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Elubas
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:

Oh my, TheTaleOfWob. You definitely make these discussions less enjoyable. Not sure what you get out of that? But, of course, it's a public forum, and people have freedom, so I put up with it, even though I don't approve of your condescending approach. I still like to discuss, and ultimately get enjoyment from being here oftentimes. In fact, that's kind of why I haven't been here in a while I get sucked in too much. It's a lot of fun for some reason, but it can suck time like an addiction. Enjoy being able to bash me straight to my face while you can, is perhaps your logic

Clearly you weren't too concerned with the discussion,  you're moaning about me and that I make them less enjoyable?  I stopped reading there,  clearly you are just in tantrum mode and so I bid you goodbye.  If you want to be more mature and seek edification,  you can probably win my help but you're gonna have to show that you're ready to be a big boy and at least *try* to amount to and contribute something good.

 

Well, actually, it's pretty easy to simultaneously state what I think of your behavior and also be interested in the discussion. After all, I have still responded to some of your intellectual points, so I have clearly done both. I mean, no one would enjoy it if during nearly every post, the person made an insult to add to it. Personally, I found it interesting to comment on what I think of that behavior of yours. I also think the topic of women and chess is interesting, hence, I've been commenting on that too.

It's not either or happy.png I'm interested in speaking about both of these dynamics to our conversation happy.png

Elubas
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:

"Your claim that people have explained the difference between men and women in chess by statistics is not admissible because it doesn't make sense."

Sure it makes sense. I have seen people say things like "The difference between men and women is just a matter of statistics." That's literally all I was saying. I was talking about claims I have seen people make. I didn't say I agreed with them.

"This is a matter of substance and not semantics."

Yet, you put a very strong focus on the semantics of the words "explain" and "indicate," despite having very little to do with the points being discussed as a whole. So, I'm not sure how much you believe that statement.

Nope,  that doesn't make sense and the difference between explain and indicate are not semantics.  Maybe if you simmered down and got your emotions under control you'd have the strength to learn something  

 

I mean, it's not really emotional to respond to your points Then I guess you're emotional, too, by that logic. But, not much sense in this discussion, perhaps, as I'm not sure how I could prove to you what my emotions are.

But onto the rest of your post: yes, I would very much say that we were discussing semantics when it came to "explain" and "indicate." To show me how one could explain without indicating or vice versa, that all depends on what those words mean and in which situations they apply or don't apply, etc. That's about as semantics-heavy as you can expect a typical conversation to get  

It is emotional to become upset,  defensive and passive aggressive.  If you lose your composure, interest or happiness so easily perhaps chess and forums are not for you.  If you want to become a healthier person that can handle either,  I have shown all of the virtues you lack and you can take some cues.

Again, I stopped reading at "It isn't emotional to respond to your ..."  That was enough to see you didn't get over it or yourself just yet.

 

We seem to disagree as to whether saying something is not emotional means that you're emotional happy.png Again, though, there is not much I can offer to this point, as I can't prove to you what my emotions are. I see you have your own ideas on how to detect emotion from posts -- fair enough, I have mine. Even as someone who likes to dissect things and argue about points, I see very little progress that can be made on the discussion of this issue. And trust me, that's saying something! I can argue about just about anything happy.png

Elubas

I mean, I'm pretty much doing what you're doing, being "difficult" about your points. You say I'm being emotional, I say I'm not, you say that I am, etc. You seem to be as engaged in these minute points as I am happy.png The only real difference is that I'm doing it out of defense. You're attacking me, I'm defending myself. But, I mainly do it because I like to argue -- I suppose because I find it stimulating... I'm not entirely sure what attracts me to it to be honest. It's not really personal, I just like to defend points that I think are correct. I understand that of course, you disagree with that, and think that I'm crying behind the screen. Well, we can agree to disagree on that, as said happy.png

Elubas
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:

"Your claim that people have explained the difference between men and women in chess by statistics is not admissible because it doesn't make sense."

Sure it makes sense. I have seen people say things like "The difference between men and women is just a matter of statistics." That's literally all I was saying. I was talking about claims I have seen people make. I didn't say I agreed with them.

"This is a matter of substance and not semantics."

Yet, you put a very strong focus on the semantics of the words "explain" and "indicate," despite having very little to do with the points being discussed as a whole. So, I'm not sure how much you believe that statement.

Nope,  that doesn't make sense and the difference between explain and indicate are not semantics.  Maybe if you simmered down and got your emotions under control you'd have the strength to learn something  

 

I mean, it's not really emotional to respond to your points Then I guess you're emotional, too, by that logic. But, not much sense in this discussion, perhaps, as I'm not sure how I could prove to you what my emotions are.

But onto the rest of your post: yes, I would very much say that we were discussing semantics when it came to "explain" and "indicate." To show me how one could explain without indicating or vice versa, that all depends on what those words mean and in which situations they apply or don't apply, etc. That's about as semantics-heavy as you can expect a typical conversation to get  

It is emotional to become upset,  defensive and passive aggressive.  If you lose your composure, interest or happiness so easily perhaps chess and forums are not for you.  If you want to become a healthier person that can handle either,  I have shown all of the virtues you lack and you can take some cues.

Again, I stopped reading at "It isn't emotional to respond to your ..."  That was enough to see you didn't get over it or yourself just yet.

 

We seem to disagree as to whether saying something is not emotional means that you're emotional Again, though, there is not much I can offer to this point, as I can't prove to you what my emotions are. I see you have your own ideas on how to detect emotion from posts -- fair enough, I have mine. Even as someone who likes to dissect things and argue about points, I see very little progress that can be made on the discussion of this issue. And trust me, that's saying something! I can argue about just about anything

You are being accused of mania, having totally lost your cool and being very petty.  Again,  stopped reading before you finished your first sentence.  

 

You seem to be being equally petty, though.

Elubas

What can I say, I don't mind trolling trolls happy.png

stiggling
Elubas wrote:

What can I say, I don't mind trolling trolls

You don't seem like yourself, or maybe I don't remember you clearly because it's been so long. Did you always enjoy "discussions" like this?

My feeling is he actually did bait you.

Elubas

I'm just saying, how can you complain about me making lots of posts about minutia, when you're doing the same thing? Or am I just imagining all of your replies and they don't really exist? happy.png

Elubas
stiggling wrote:
Elubas wrote:

What can I say, I don't mind trolling trolls

You don't seem like yourself, or maybe I don't remember you clearly because it's been so long. Did you always enjoy "discussions" like this?

My feeling is he actually did bait you.

 

Well, it depends on who I'm discussing with. If I'm discussing with you, the conversation proceeds normally. And I know that you rip on me in good fun. But, if the discussion ends up turning into something totally off topic, I often go with it. If I think I'm right about something, I take up the challenge and argue for it, because I don't know, maybe I like the challenge? At least I like to do this. Not much harm in doing it on the internet, but I know, I'm weird happy.png I do actually get entertainment from this for some reason.

Like I said, it truly becomes an addiction. Guilty pleasure I guess?

stiggling
Elubas wrote:
stiggling wrote:
Elubas wrote:

What can I say, I don't mind trolling trolls

You don't seem like yourself, or maybe I don't remember you clearly because it's been so long. Did you always enjoy "discussions" like this?

My feeling is he actually did bait you.

 

Well, it depends on who I'm discussing with. If I'm discussing with you, the conversation proceeds normally. And I know that you rip on me in good fun. But, if the discussion ends up turning into something totally off topic, I often go with it. If I think I'm right about something, I take up the challenge and argue for it, because I don't know, maybe I like the challenge? At least I like to do this. Not much harm in doing it on the internet, but I know, I'm weird I do actually get entertainment from this for some reason.

Like I said, it truly becomes an addiction. Guilty pleasure I guess?

Ok happy.png

Elubas
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:

I'm just saying, how can you complain about me making lots of posts about minutia, when you're doing the same thing? Or am I just imagining all of your replies and they don't really exist?

This one is worth answering,  another misconception.  I never made any complaints during this thread.  I also wouldn't say anything I actually read from you was a complaint about minutia and nothing I mentioned was anything of the sort either.  

 

Odd, you said I was petty. Pretty hard to be petty without discussing minutia (here we go again; I have a hunch that you will very much enjoy responding to me on this one happy.png Be careful! You may end up proving my point in the process! happy.png).

stiggling

Elubas is a unique dancing partner though, I don't think you'll successfully provoke him, even if he does respond to you endlessly. Have fun, I'll be back later tongue.png

stiggling
TheTaleOfWob wrote:

Don't pull your hair out,   I suspect that one will live to fuss another day.

Another day?

Maybe two.

But after that I'm not sure, so tell me, will your account be banned by then?

Elubas

But yeah, there is legit something wrong with me happy.png

This would more than qualify for being on that show My Strange Addiction. How long ago did I first post here? I've been nonstop since. Good lord.

Elubas

Or maybe not, it's been a while since I saw that show. But it is a strange addiction that eats the living shit out of free time.

Elubas
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:

But yeah, there is legit something wrong with me

This would more than qualify for being on that show My Strange Addiction. How long ago did I first post here? I've been nonstop since. Good lord.

Even though you thought you were being baited or trolled you just couldn't help yourself.  Obsessive behavior is not healthy and I wish you nothing but the best.  Less you hurt yourself or others. 

 

Well, quitting the forums kept me ok for a year happy.png It's ok to do this once a year, but, yeah, not often.

Elubas
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:

But yeah, there is legit something wrong with me

This would more than qualify for being on that show My Strange Addiction. How long ago did I first post here? I've been nonstop since. Good lord.

Even though you thought you were being baited or trolled you just couldn't help yourself.  Obsessive behavior is not healthy and I wish you nothing but the best.  Less you hurt yourself or others. 

 

Still, you seem quite obsessive as well.

Elubas

It is weird, though. Like, this is more fun than chess and I thought that was my favorite game.

Elubas
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:

But yeah, there is legit something wrong with me

This would more than qualify for being on that show My Strange Addiction. How long ago did I first post here? I've been nonstop since. Good lord.

Even though you thought you were being baited or trolled you just couldn't help yourself.  Obsessive behavior is not healthy and I wish you nothing but the best.  Less you hurt yourself or others. 

 

Still, you seem quite obsessive as well.

I'm nice but not really invested.  I am spamming games in live chess right now and mostly just attentioning that.

 

Well, it doesn't take much investment to insult someone. Takes more investment to actually make points that support your conclusion (even if that conclusion is an insult) happy.png

Elubas

Who are you, anyway? I assume you're someone I knew but not sure who that is. Not the first time you have trolled me I take it.

Elubas
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:
TheTaleOfWob wrote:
Elubas wrote:

But yeah, there is legit something wrong with me

This would more than qualify for being on that show My Strange Addiction. How long ago did I first post here? I've been nonstop since. Good lord.

Even though you thought you were being baited or trolled you just couldn't help yourself.  Obsessive behavior is not healthy and I wish you nothing but the best.  Less you hurt yourself or others. 

 

Still, you seem quite obsessive as well.

I'm nice but not really invested.  I am spamming games in live chess right now and mostly just attentioning that.

 

Well, it doesn't take much investment to insult someone. Takes more investment to actually make points that support your conclusion (even if that conclusion is an insult)

I'm not much for trying to insult people nor am I pretentious enough to take offense or be insulted myself.

 

Hehe... wow. Well, I guess you're allowed to say anything you want, but, damn, lol.

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