Of course you owe a rematch

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Diakonia
TurboFish wrote:

Sometimes I accept rematches, sometimes I don't (I rarely ask for a rematch).  It's not personal -- it usually just boils down to whether I have the time and energy to continue.  People should not take these issues so personally when playing chess on the internet with complete strangers.  I think that those who feel offended about not getting a rematch are too self-centered, and are basing too much of their self-esteem on this game.

The issue is quite simple.  The things you see people complaining about, and how they act is due to the annonymity of the internet.  

These are things you do not see at OTB tournaments, or at clubs.  If someone acted at our club the way they do online, they would be asked not to come back.  

OTB tournaments, players shake hands, say good luck, good game, etc.  You get to a site like chess.com and beinig able to hide (yes hide) behind a monitor does something to people that makes them act like an A**

I made the decison that i dont want to be cussed at, insulted, spammed, harassed, etc.  Im not here for that, and i feel sorry for those that need to act this way.  After each game i leave a Good game on my opponents home page, and move on to the nest game.

Ziryab
btickler wrote:

If you want to play live chess on the server, you are essentially opening up a vast anonymous chess game pez dispenser, and there's really no other way to look at it.  If you want games with discourse and etiquette, try joining a group.  What you are doing is like wading into a mosh pit at a heavy metal concert and then getting irritated every time someone is bumping into you...the logic doesn't follow.

 

 

There are two benefits to these endless threads from whinos.

1) new metaphors from geniuses like btickler

2) opportunity to be called a jellyfish by Xplayer

Daballs1106

Well, it is obvious that some of you have taken a cerebral approach to the issue while others get personal.  Haters be haten...I think it is fairly safe to say that I have hit a raw nerve and most of the venom is being spewed by those who choose to slink away instead of manning up and offer equal opportunity.  You can throw all the usual "there is no difference playing black or white" or "I don't owe other players anything", it is all another way of saying sportsmanship is dead for many players on this site, with half that population not even understanding the concept, and the other half knowing full well they should offer a rematch and just don't care.  Someone made a good point when they said that because of the huge numbers of players on this site and the anonymity it provides, no one will really no what an ass many of you are.  Deep down, many of you know I'm right...

uri65

Daballs1106, so far you've played 3016 blitz games as white vs 2855 as black. Shall we talk about fair play?

thegreat_patzer

the thing IS mr OP.  for those of us that haven't been personal (and I don't think I've thrown one personal attack at anybody)...

you still haven't argued it back.

IMHO, if you want a rematch- you ought to be polite and ask for it, via blitz.  perhaps I will then say "well, ok but I gotta go put dishes in the dishwasher- hang on for five minutes"...

In short, if you want something more than an anonymous and impersonal meeting of the mind- Thats Fine.  but be Polite! allow me to explain if there's some kind of problem with it.  perhaps its was Last game of the Night- it's 1am and I am tired.

I understand your thought that perhaps it might be sporting to trade colors and try again.  the "rematch" button is Not neccesarily enough.  I agree that denying it without explanation Might not be very polite. (I'll keep that in mind)

but I don't agree that its immoral, unethical or unsporting.  name calling is also not appropriate.  some people on cc might be fine being the ethug and rude, but I would happily explain why (If I do) I had to decline the rematch... and I am happy to try it another time... I'm on here nearly every day!



Ziryab
thegreat_patzer wrote:

 perhaps its was Last game of the Night- it's 1am and I am tired.

 

Why go to bed so early? You must be a lazy coward. Maybe even a jellyfish.

thegreat_patzer

LOL.  maybe I am James!  I'm gleefully collecting my point and going to sleep with my illdeserved (white) victory, right? 

...

Lets strip away the "annonymity" argument.  if the OP was in a Club, and he got beat as black (or whatever)- and he nicely asked his opponent for a rematch.  Many opponents WOULD provided they didn't have to go- or needed a brief break.

if he had an angry tantrum than yeah, that wouldnt' go well would it?  this is so SIMPLE if people concerned practice good courtesy...

"invite player to chat" and two reasonable players can work all this out without insults, or rudeness...

Diakonia
Daballs1106 wrote:

Well, it is obvious that some of you have taken a cerebral approach to the issue while others get personal.  Haters be haten...I think it is fairly safe to say that I have hit a raw nerve and most of the venom is being spewed by those who choose to slink away instead of manning up and offer equal opportunity.  You can throw all the usual "there is no difference playing black or white" or "I don't owe other players anything", it is all another way of saying sportsmanship is dead for many players on this site, with half that population not even understanding the concept, and the other half knowing full well they should offer a rematch and just don't care.  Someone made a good point when they said that because of the huge numbers of players on this site and the anonymity it provides, no one will really no what an ass many of you are.  Deep down, many of you know I'm right...

"slink away instead of manning up"

You kill me with this stuff.   Its the typical internet annonymity mindset.  You have no idea why someone did not offer/accept a rematch.  And pretendinig for your own good (ego feed) that they were scared is ridiculously immature.  

"there is no difference playing black or white"

You are correct here, there is no difference unless youre a GM.

"I don't owe other players anything"

Its not about what you "owe" someone, its a choice.  You may not agree with your opponents choice but it is still a choice.

"sportsmanship is dead for many players on this site"

Good point.  Do you tell your opponent good luck before a game?  Do you tell them good game after a game?  Do you offer to analyze the game with them?

"Deep down, many of you know I'm right..."

You will never understand what people are trying to tell you as long as you keep trying to make it about YOU.  Sorry to say but youre like a child throwing a temper tantrum.  Everything is everone elses fault.  As i said before...just enjoy the game.  

Diakonia

My question to the chess.com community is:

1. Am I required to accept/offer a rematch?

2. I am an agressive player, what opening should i play?

3. I am a tactical player, what opening should i play?

4. I am a tactically agressive player, what opening should i play?

5. I am an agressively tactical player, what opening should i play?

6. I know the <insert opening here> 20 moves deep, but i still hang pieces, what do i do?

7. I am looking for an opening that is agressive/tactical, that offers me an opening advantage, but doesnt involve any risk. 

8. I have invented a new opening, tell me what you think.

9. I am playing in an OTB tournament in 2 days.  Do i have enough time to learn a new opening?

10. I think my opponent cheated, how do i report this?

11. I think my opponent abandoned a game and made me wait <insert time frame here>, how do i report them?

12. I think my opponent is making my time go fast, how do i report them?

13. My opponents clock doesnt move, how do i report them?

14. I signed up for a premium membership 12 minutes ago, and i want to cancel, how do i do this?

15. I am a premium member <insert question here> how do i report this?

16. Someone hacked my account and i lost a game and points, how do i get my points back?

17. A cheater won a tournament i was in, how do i get my points back?

18. I want to report an abusive member, how do i do this?

19. I was muted and dont know why?

20. I was booted for cussing, how long till i can play again?

21. Who wants to be my (free) coach?

22. When is V3 going to be finalized?

23. My connection is fine. What is wrong with your server?

24. Where can I get free book/ movies/ software?

25. When is the FAQ page going to be fixed?

26. When is the Game Explorer going to be fixed?

27. Is there a Help page?

28. I wrote an email for help (15 minutes ago).  Why doesn't anyone answer?

29. Is chess a sport?

30. bobby fisher <insert question here>

31. Why aren't women good at chess?

32. Should I quit playing chess?

33. Computer glitch: illegal pawn capture.

34. My opponent's pawn was on the 5th rank and my pawn, on the 7th rank, moved forward 2 spaces, and he captured it sideways. Cheat!

35.Who will win (instert tournament name here)

 

36. I'm the best in the world, I'm ____ in blitz (bullet)

thegreat_patzer

don't worry guys, this isn't the end of it.

I am sure within an easy week, we will have "rematch" of this conversation. are you "Jellyfish" all up to it?

on the other hand, an effort to directly talk to the OP has failed. like the "rematch" itself, he doesn't want to talk about it guy to guy.

whatever. its just a website.  No one says you have to be polite....

BoyStan

The moralists always re-hash the re-match re-pugnant 'You must re-match"

learningthemoves

Let's go old school with it. Andrew Jackson style. I challenge you to a duel.

Standard code duello rules apply. Twenty paces. 

Meet me at the Hermitage in Hermitage, TN Monday Feb. 1st 2016 

High noon.

Don't be a coward. 

Each of us writes our wills on a piece of paper and brings it with us in our pocket along with the deeds to our houses to be found so the loser gets their final wishes known and the winner gets something more than their honor for their time.

One of us wins and lives.

Are you a coward or are you a man?

We will livestream it, ChessTV exclusive. Diamond members only.

You have twenty-four hours from the time of this post to accept or decline in this thread with a post. Choose wisely.

mrwirerabbit

I really really enjoy playing the children here on chess.com. How many times have I had to read inane, bilious comments about how much of a coward I am for not rematching? Someone needs to smack them with a perspective-stick, methinks.

I play bullet on my smartphone. I've trained my thumb to instantly play e4 as white, d5 as black, and New 1 minute as soon as the game ends. If I haven't been paired by the site before I can accept a rematch, I am more than happy to play another game.

Didn't get a rematch? Sorry lunchbreak is over.

You're mad because I failed to play you again? Sorry, had to pocket my phone so I could flush.

Don't like that I started a new game with someone else right away? Oops, fingers too fast.

Don't accept my rematch? Fine with me, c'est la vie.

As soon as you show your true jellyfish nature, however, you no longer exist to me, blocked and forgotten for all time.

thegreat_patzer

"true jellyfish nature" ? please Do explain...

AutisticCath

Were you on your lunch-break? I notice I am not blocked by you.

learningthemoves

^ Please do the courtesy of clicking "flip" to make sure I'm sitting on the winning side before playing through any of the moves. I always only sit on the winning side when reviewing any game. Thanks!

aglitatta

   Im relatively new  to cc would someone plz  explain tro me  the term "Trool". thanks.

behere

 As far as I can see of us are professional chess players.  So we play the game for the fun of it.  And on sites like this, we tend to play lots of games over time.  Hard to think that other than the pure enjoyment of it, that anything else matters (ok, maybe some gradual improvement and the satisfaction that brings). White/black and rematch are all kind of meaningless.  

One funny thing that seems to happen an awful lot, when people lose, they will blame anything but themselves for it.  That seems crazy since chess is all about having very little "luck" involved.  In fact it is my favorite game because of that lack of luck (of course there is always some - like an external interruption, or lag....).

I admit emotion is part of it.  When I lose I get a bit mad - but at myself.

 

The whole need to insist on rematch and the white is better thing are hard for me to care about.

mrwirerabbit

Now, why would I block you, newengland7? I really botched that game. But blitz is such a throw-away game sometimes.

I'm such a speed junky!

yureesystem

I don't anyone a rematch! If you rating is lower than mine, no rematch; chess.com force me to player 200 points below my rating,  personal prefer to play higher or same rating level. Title players always get a rematch with me

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