offering draw when about to lose.

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I'm a beginner (1050 in daily), and probably a third of all my opponents offer a draw when they're clearly gonna lose (down 6 or more points in material). I think this is kinda rude. Am I just overreacting? Does this happen at higher rating?

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It's mostly a beginner thing.  Beginners hate to lose and try to swindle a draw.  More advanced hate to lose too, but the swindles get a little more sophisticated as they try to play for stalemate.

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Glad you asked as I was going to anyway. I don’t think it’s rude but wanted to know if it’s common etiquette to agree to draw amongst lower rated players, even when clearly I have the upper hand.
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Johnny_Gumshoe wrote:
Glad you asked as I was going to anyway. I don’t think it’s rude but wanted to know if it’s common etiquette to agree to draw amongst lower rated players, even when clearly I have the upper hand.

Who would ever do that? a draw against a lower player would lower your rating. not only would most people not want that, but then they'll be paired against even lower ranked players, and that would just be unfair playing against someone so far below your skill level.

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I was asked twice yesterday and twice I rejected the offer. I understand the rating thing but I just wasn’t sure if I was committing some heinous unwritten chess ‘rule’.
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Johnny_Gumshoe wrote:
I was asked twice yesterday and twice I rejected the offer. I understand the rating thing but I just wasn’t sure if I was committing some heinous unwritten chess ‘rule’.

That's the thing. it doesn't feel good to say no to someone asking you to do something (in this case, it's saying no to a draw). That's why I think it's a little rude to offer a draw when clearly losing.

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well if your down that much material it is just ridiculous.

What i see more often is people offering draws before they capture a piece-they then press their clock and leave you with a decision to make .

While having an obvious recapture on the board you are burning your time, it is clever of them but at the same time a bit unsportsmanlike.

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To ask for a draw when you are losing is unsportsmanlike conduct.

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CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
argonkingdom wrote:
Johnny_Gumshoe wrote:
Glad you asked as I was going to anyway. I don’t think it’s rude but wanted to know if it’s common etiquette to agree to draw amongst lower rated players, even when clearly I have the upper hand.

Who would ever do that? a draw against a lower player would lower your rating. not only would most people not want that, but then they'll be paired against even lower ranked players, and that would just be unfair playing against someone so far below your skill level.

 

People really care about their chess.com rating that much? 

You only have to care a tiny bit about your rating to never accept a draw when a win is inevitable. Being that an accurate rating gets you paired up with similarly skilled opponents, and setting a rating goal is a good way to work towards improvement, It's only natural to care about your rating.

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CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
ponz111 wrote:

To ask for a draw when you are losing is unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

?? On the internet? No...no it's not. Even OTB - Is it that horrible for you to have to say "nope"? 

 

People don't have to do what you think is appropriate. 

No one claimed it was horrible. exaggerating your opponents beliefs in an argument is just intellectually dishonest. The point is that asking for a draw when you're about to lose is just begging for a higher rating instead of earning it. It looks pathetic; like they can't accept that they lost.

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Johnny_Gumshoe wrote:
Glad you asked as I was going to anyway. I don’t think it’s rude but wanted to know if it’s common etiquette to agree to draw amongst lower rated players, even when clearly I have the upper hand.

no, it's not etiquette. in fact, the player who offers a draw when obviously losing is an idiot.

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you dont have to say no to decline a draw (also OTB), just decline by making a move and win your winning positions

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in online chess you cant push the darw button too often they already know its a form of spamming

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My chess coach's advise was when your opponent offers you a draw ask yourself 'what is it they don't like about their position'?

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maybe its rook vs rook and they are bored grin.png

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I've gotten draws against lower rated players with the old cheeky draw offer in a worse position.  Not 6 points down but definitely in a position I would play on for the win if I were my opponent.

 

I've also won games after my opponent blundered having refused a draw.

 

 

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dicopoc wrote:

I've gotten draws against lower rated players with the old cheeky draw offer in a worse position.  Not 6 points down but definitely in a position I would play on for the win if I were my opponent.

 

I've also won games after my opponent blundered having refused a draw.

 

 

I`ve won games in correspondence Chess because my opponent died. Talk about the "dead man`s defense"!

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so did you do a post mortem?

 

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JohnRemail wrote:

My chess coach's advice was when your opponent offers you a draw ask yourself 'what is it they don't like about their position'?