Opponent not familiar with the 50-move rule + pre-moves = a win!

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Avatar of check2008

Exhausting game. I realized he wasn't familiar with the 50-move rule and I knew that, if I used pre-moves, I could remain up on time till he finally ran out. I thought the bishop/pawn position was pretty neat!
Avatar of ivandh

I think that is probably a record for longest game which ended in a win, and possibly for longest game ever.

Avatar of aquiredtaste

You can make premoves in timed games?  How?

Avatar of Maradonna
aquiredtaste wrote:

You can make premoves in timed games?  How?


 when it is not you move - move your piece. It will highlight red. To cancel a pre-move use the right mouse button.

Be careful how you use this weapon - I've lost many games because I'm not as smart as I'm trying to be :)

Avatar of dominicbody2

Pathetic is a bit harsh.

But that couldn't have been a clearer draw - surely you felt a bit dodgy swindling it like that?

Avatar of bobbyDK

your game should only have lasted 121.

The longest game  Nikolić-Arsović, Belgrade 1989, which lasted for 269 moves

The longest decisive tournament game is Fressinet–Kosteniuk, Villandry 2007, which Kosteniuk won in 237 moves

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_chess

Avatar of check2008

It wasn't the best win I've ever gotten, but a win is a win. A victory on time is just as good as a victory on the board. 

In chess, if you lose, you deserve to lose. It's not uncommon for someone to get defeated, then claim that they outplayed their opponent and simply got unlucky. 

Losing on time because you were trying to be careful is no different than falling into a mate in one because you were moving too fast.

With all respect, Bregnt, a win is most certainly a win no matter how "pathetic" the method involved is (with possible exceptions to OTB strangling)! And I definitely wouldn't call this particular game disrespectful to chess - after all, there is a 50-move rule that my opponent could've taken advantage of by simply clicking the "draw" button - I wouldn't have even had to click "accept." 

Avatar of bobbyDK

I agree with Bregnt

you should have given him a draw you both spent 50 move.

in soccer people make goals with their hands because the referee doesn't see it and celebrate their win.

rules doesn't apply to them as long as they win.

if for one you certain do not win the best sportmanship trohpy for that win any place.

Avatar of dunce

Evidently your opponent was also premoving or he'd have picked off a pawn when you retreated your Bishop.

Avatar of pdela

Maybe he knew the rule but he didn't know he had to claimed it by clicking the offer draw botton. Anyway, he may be not familiar with the rule because none in his sane judge would have play this out

Avatar of ultimifier

winning on time is one thing, drawing on time is another. this is a draw. you are pathetic. and to put it on here to try and impress us? 

its members like you that can ruin online chess 

Avatar of Dragec

Not only this was realy unimaginable to be played out, but to post it and brag about it ? Frown

Avatar of thekibitzer

People winning on time like this at blitz happens all the time, just a part of the game. If I am right, if the other guy had offered the draw it would have auto claimed the 50move rule, so partly his own fault.

It's only blitz, there are several GMs that play on in draws at otb, I remeber recently Van Wely had something like a 19 fold repetition before either person claimed the draw. Is it more acceptable for them to play on just because of titles?

OK this is live rated, but does it really matter? It is just people wasting their own time.

Avatar of check2008

Ultimifier, this was not a draw on time, this was a win on time. Please read the posts before commenting. 

It seems those with the higher ratings here agree with me - a win is a win, even if it does seem a bit dodgy or pale.

Reminds me of college grades... Tongue out I would say, "Grades are important!", and those with the sub-3.0 GPA would say I was wrong, while those with the 3.7+ or so would completely agree.

Bobby, we both spent fifty moves, like you said, but there is more to the rule than that - one of the players must accept the draw for it to be counted as such!

Avatar of invariance

Where can I drop off this "Good Sportsmanship" trophy?

Avatar of Gil-Gandel

"Ha ha, my opponent didn't know where the button was to claim the statutory draw. Aren't I clever?"

I don't think our ratings are so different - given that I haven't lost yet on chess.com there's evidence that I haven't reached my actual rating - so I'm afraid that weakens your case for saying "everyone who calls it bad sportmanship sux @ chess lol!". I personally would never dream of claiming a win on time in a patently drawn position, still less would I try to sucker someone into it, still less would I then boast about it afterwards FFS. But I suppose we were all once acne-ridden adolescents desperate for something to boast about. Twit.

Avatar of TSootMoondog

OH MY GOODNESS ME...sry had to do that, the world cup commentators are just hilarious...i love em'

Avatar of check2008

Gill, like Ultimifier, please read all posts before sharing your own opinion. No where did I say I was bragging about my win (it was unrated even!). This post is not about whether I won or lost - I'd have posted this thread even if I had lost! I'm simply wanting to share the position that arose in the game - hence the whole "I thought the bishop/pawn position was pretty neat" in the very first post.

No where did I say "everyone who calls it had sportsmanship sux @ chess lol!". If you wanna paraphrase, that's fine, but don't use quotes that way - that's not how you use em' (you don't have to be an English major...).

And besides Gill... you're not arguing with me, you're arguing with the past U.S. champion GM Hikaru Nakamura. Nearly everything I've said so far has been directly from his book (I even had to get it out and read through it again to make sure I got the wording right).

I'm not making fun of my opponent either - again, please read all comments. If he wanted the draw, he was one click away from getting it.

You said you'd "personally never dream of claiming a win in a patently drawn position." That's fine - that's your opinion. You're up against Anand for the world championship, you have an hour to his ten seconds, the position from my game arises in your game with Anand, and you call it a draw. Yet again, that's fine. I personally would grab the win in an instant. No reason to call people names Smile

Just a simple misunderstanding, I'm sure Gill - no hard feelings.

Avatar of check2008

In that case, Fire, you mean to say "It's the king of stuff that gets you put on 'no-play' lists at chess.com." 

Why would someone put me on a no-play list for a chess.com technical "glitch"? It most certainly isn't my fault.

Besides, I know perfectly well to click "draw" after fifty-moves of no captures, ect., so why should I show sympathy to my opponent who doesn't know?

It's like another thread I saw on here, about a boy on an oxygen tank playing chess in a tournament. His flag had fallen, and the questions of morals came up when deciding whether or not to point it out. The majority of the posts said that they, maybe slowly and sadly, would have pointed it out. After all, a win is a win, whether you're playing some ill person in an OTB tournament or you're playing someone ignorant on Live Chess.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful by calling him ignorant - that simply means not knowing the facts, that's all. 

Avatar of check2008

You're the third person who has not read all the posts in this thread before sharing your opinion. I've said "what the point of this thread" is twice now - and no, it's not the fact that I won. 

Please, put in the effort to read all posts before posting yourself - otherwise, you run the risk of looking stupid!

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