OTB blitz, touch moves & illeagal moves

Hello all,

In my university chess club, we play alot of OTB blitz. However there are situations that are beyond my comprehension.

In OTB blitz, do we have to follow touch move rules? One guy in the club touches a piece, moves it, takes his hand away, changes his mind and moves back the piece, and moves another one, claiming that it is still his turn because he hasn't pressed the clock yet. Is it true that in blitz, your turn only ends when you press the clock?

Also here is another scenario, I am playing a game in a serious time scramble (common in blitz yes?). I make an illeagal move there. Does that mean I have to forefeit the game because I make an illeagal move in an OTB blitz game (I know in longer games, 2 mins is added to opponents clock but I don't know in this case)?

Thanks in adv

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I recommend looking up the laws of chess yourself instead of believing what humans have to say.

Just go to the official F.I.D.E site.

The laws of chess are in the miscellaneous section.

If these games are part of a rated blitz tournament, then you should be playing under the rules of whatever organization runs the rating system. Typically this would be your national chess federation. These rules should have a section that covers these matters.

If these games are part of a non-rated blitz tournament, then you should be playing under the rules of the organization that is running the tournament. That organization should specifically have rules for these things (or they should say they follow your nation federation rules or FIDE rules).

It there are just casual games for fun, then you can use whatever rules the two players in a particular game agree to. If they do not discuss this beforehand, then it should be assumed you are playing under your national federation's rules, unless your club has specific rules that differ from your national rules.

Note: there may be other federations relevant. I assume from the Japanese flag that chess.com puts next to your name that you are in Japan. In Japan there is both a national chess federation (if I'm understanding google results correctly) and a collegiate chess federation. There's also an Asian Chess Federation.

What your club really should do is adopt a club rule that says "unless the players agree otherwise before the start of the game, casual games are to be played following the rules of X", where X could be the Japanese collegiate chess federation, the Japanese chess federation, the Asian chess federation, FIDE.

Thanks for the replies.

According to FIDE, touch move does matter even in Blitz, but a move is not considered complete unless the player presses the clock.

Illegal move - you don't have to forefeit the game even if you make an illegal move, but your opponent can claim a win when it is their turn (much like en passant, which is only allowable for 1 move) - Appendix section B, titled Blitz in FIDE handbook.There is no addition of time in this case. I can't believe I forefeited so many games because I didn't know this.

http://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/LawsOfChess.pdf

Yes, touch/move rule does not apply in blitz. Turn ends once clock gets pressed

This thread is a good example of why I recommend looking for yourself at the laws of chess since if you don`t you get a large variety of opinions.

If you make an illegal move and you didn't press the clock you can undo your move. If it is possible you must make another move with that piece of that is also impossible you can make a move with a different piece.

The touch=move rule does apply in the official rules even for blitz.

However if you are playing with friends I don't think you should stricktly use these rules. Let them undo their move if it is still their turn, It costs him extra time to undo the move and make a new one. People don't like it when you point out the rules all the time. 

so I just found out illeagal moves is possible in OTB blitz. For example if there is a check to the King, its the side recieving the check to realize he is in check and move out from it. A.K.A, Kings can be taken just like normal pieces (and the game is decided). I don't know the exact terminology of this but can someone confirm if this is true? 

Who wrote the rulebook?  Rabbits?

Every time I read an uneducated post, I hoover my mouse over their username. It usually shows (Online Chess <1600).

Otherwise, thanks for the clarification. Now I can say that In Blitz, the act of pressing the clock signals the end of a move.

That's not always true.  You have to look at which organization is running the tournament.  FIDE?  USCF?

In USCF, it's touch move, once you let go of the piece, move is made, no matter how long it takes you to hit the clock.  You leave yourself in check or make an illegal move, you forfeit immediately!

In FIDE, it's touch move, but if an illegal move is made, whether it be leaving yourself in check or playing Ra2-h3, it's a penalty, I believe time added to the opponent's clock, though not positive about that one.

So as mentioned prior, know the rules of the organization running the tournament.  NOT ALL ORGANIZATIONS ARE THE SAME!

In Iceland you lose the game if you make an illegal move. And you have to move a touched piece

and just to add on, I believe if your opponent knocked down a piece or placed it in a wrong square (and pressed the clock), you can press back the clock and ask him to place it back to the proper place using his time.

This is crucial especially during time pressure.

This, or whatever other organization you are playing in. 

http://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/LawsOfChess.pdf

Page 17 & 18? 

 Already posted... my bad.

        I reckon referring to an "uneducated post" is a bit much when one has spelling such as "illeagal, forefeit and hoover" (in this case it should be hover). Now I suppose I shall be accused of being over fussy as correct spelling is no longer insisted upon in so many situations.

To be fair, you may be right."Who wrote the rulebook?  Rabbits?" I couldn't really tell if the post is educated or not. Since it is my forum topic, I was trying to keep the discussion on the topic of OTB blitz rules, not about Rabbits making FIDE rulebooks.

English is not my first language, and writing may not be my forte. Please take that into consideration. There is no spellcheck so I write words as they sound. It seems like everyone did understand what I meant, even with the misspelt words.

If you would like to discuss it further, please send me a private message instead of using the forums.

Would be interesting to see under what regulations the old blitz game between Magnus Carlsen and Alexandra Kosteniuk went. She insisted on touch move and won the game because of it.

  The rule pertaining to touching clock ends your move does not have anything to do with touch move. It applies to when your opponent can touch his pieces (in USCF). 

   The piece to move is decided when you touch it (assuming there is a legal move).

   The placement of the piece is decided when you let go of it (assuming legality).

   The "move" isn't complete until the clock is touched. 

       There are multiple points to the move not complete until clock touched.

            If your move is illegal, you have until you touch your clock to change it.

            Your opponent can NOT touch his pieces until you touch your clock.

    There is another rule that says you are not allowed to obstruct your opponent from touching his clock thus starting your clock.

    I've seen many people violate that rule. You move but you haven't yet touched your clock then they move and hold their hand down on their plunger thus stopping you from starting their clock. Also, they have made a move on your time. This is a clear violation. 

   The last I looked at the blitz rules for OTB was 3 or 4 years ago and there was a rule that stated if your opponent touches a piece then moves another it is not an illegal move until he touches his clock. If he puts the piece back and then moves the touched piece before touching his clock then all is fine. This makes it obvious that touch move is the rule at blitz in the USCF or was when I read that rule.