Paul Morphy: A movie/film

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tkbunny wrote:

i said it b4 & i'll say it again - kevin spacey

 

Isn't Kevin Spacey over sixty years old ?

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Fiveofswords wrote:

why do you guys care so much about how black he was? its actually racist to even care. 

Actaully, it's not racist to care. Racial identity is important to most non-whites in America.

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Ziryab wrote:
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eciruam wrote:

His mother came from French/Creole "stock", and his father came from Spanish/Irish "stock". Therefore, his skin would have a little "colour" to it. As he did not have any American/African genes, it would be highly unlikely that master Paul would have an excessive amount of Melanin in his skin. A Latino complexion would have been more than likely, no ?

Probably so, though Morphy was primarily Irish/French.  Rumors of Paul's black ethnicity came about from James M'Cune Smith's little article on Morphy  which itself was conjecture and possibly an unconscious attempt to identify with a man people at that time were calling one of the few geniuses of that time.

There's considerable research that suggest that the typical white person in Louisiana is 1/16 black. But that research concerned the typical person in the late twentieth century, not Morphy's day.

See http://www.nytimes.com/1982/09/30/us/suit-on-race-recalls-lines-drawn-under-slavery.html

Thanks.  Creole is a nearly meaningless term because it can mean so many different things to so many different minds. I've always subscribed to Morphy's Creole ethnicity or, more likely, cultural background, along the lines that the Vieux Carré people at the beginnings of the 19th century saw themselves - descendants of Europeans who settled the area. They mostly identified with the French but not exclusively.  Complexities came sometime later. Since we happen to know a lot of Morphy's heritage and genealogy, there's no doubt about his race or whatever today's correct term might be.

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Fiveofswords wrote:

why do you guys care so much about how black he was? its actually racist to even care. Do you think it would mean something if he was 1/16th black? He was just a person. Black humans are also human. his 'accomplishments' should compliment the whole race and not just louisiana french elitists. we really dont need to worry about his pedigree.

Whether Morphy is White, Black, or something in between isn't important in the least in or of itself. But if the topic is breached, "in the least" facts should be presented as well as conjecture.

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Pulpofeira wrote:

Seems like that! There are so many episodes in chess history that could make a great film... I'd love to watch one about the McDonnell - La Bourdounnais matches.

I'm curious... how do you picture M'Donnell in your mind?  How do you picture Labourdonnais?

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I don't know. According to Leontxo García, Labourdonnais was a hefty guy, imposing but entertaining, prone to curse during their games, while McDonnell was the typical phlegmatic British, although probably he was more nervous deep inside. We are talking about five matches, 85 games during five months if I'm not wrong, on an environment typical of a festival. And both gladiators had a sad end. I think it could be a great movie.

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George Clooney. Penelope Cruz as the love interest. Action sequences and car chases shot in L.A. and the Nevada desert. Jackie Chan could be consulted for the fight scenes. 

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Pulpofeira wrote:

I don't know. According to Leontxo García, Labourdonnais was a hefty guy, imposing but entertaining, prone to curse during their games, while McDonnell was the typical phlegmatic British, although probably he was more nervous deep inside. We are talking about five matches, 85 games during five months if I'm not wrong, on an environment typical of a festival. And both gladiators had a sad end. I think it could be a great movie.

It might be interesting to note that M'Donnell was about 3 years younger than Labourdonnais and a far more "Romantic" player, willing to take chances. He was witty and well liked by people who knew him and was considered possibly one of the best odds-givers on his time (Deschappelles had retired). Labourdonnais didn't traveled to London in order to play a match or matches with M'Donnell (nor was it his first such trip), but acquiesed to George Walker's suggestion for a match.  During his stay he was playing daily at the Westminster Club where M'Donnell was the leading player.  Labourdonnais was famous for being a fast player, often reaching for a piece as his opponent was setting his down.  M'Donnell wasn't a fast player, but I'm not sure he was a slow player either.  However, M'Donnell was a very sick man, probably even before the match began and certainly during the match. He died during a break in the match (the break was called by Labourdonnais who had to attend to business at home). 

But I'm with you... this match blended so many elements and contrasts that it captures the imagination. I'm not sure exactly how cinematographically exciting an 85 game match(es) would be though.

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Fiveofswords wrote:
kleelof wrote:
Fiveofswords wrote:

why do you guys care so much about how black he was? its actually racist to even care. 

Actaully, it's not racist to care. Racial identity is important to most non-whites in America.

whats behind that? 

A lifetime of working with non-whites on a daily basis. I can assure you, Blacks, Latinos and Asians in America are quite proud of their heritage and want it acknowledged.

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kleelof wrote:
Fiveofswords wrote:

why do you guys care so much about how black he was? its actually racist to even care. 

Actaully, it's not racist to care. Racial identity is important to most non-whites in America.

It actually is the opposite, kleeof. For me, anyway. I walk around thinking that I'm just another human being until kabop-kabaam-kabooom, someone cut's me off mid sentence and say something like "That's not surprising you think that way. "Your women" (referring to my race) are not as arrogant as western women?"....or some stupid shit like that.

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Feufollet wrote:
kleelof wrote:
Fiveofswords wrote:

why do you guys care so much about how black he was? its actually racist to even care. 

Actaully, it's not racist to care. Racial identity is important to most non-whites in America.

It actually is the opposite, kleeof. For me, anyway. I walk around thinking that I'm just another human being until kabop-kabaam-kabooom, someone cut's me off mid sentence and say something like "That's not surprising you think that way. "Your women" (referring to my race) are not as arrogant as western women?"....or some stupid shit like that.

Sure, it can vary from person to person. But I've met very few non-whites in America who don't want their race to be recognized and respected.

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Yeah. You make this movie with a white guy and you can bet you'll see some black activist on CNN going on about how hollywood had ignored the black man once again by choosing a white guy to play the role of a black man.

God bless America!Laughing

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It is highly unpleasant, kleeof. Humans got all kinds of stupid/ugly stereotypes in their heads about this race or that race...and as soon as they see you - that is all you are. All the accumulated stereotypes they have in their heads projected on you.

It's walking into STUPID on a daily basis.

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kleelof wrote:

Yeah. You make this movie with a white guy and you can bet you'll see some black activist on CNN going on about how hollywood had ignored the black man once again by choosing a white guy to play the role of a black man.

God bless America!

1/16 black? LOL

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Feufollet wrote:

It is highly unpleasant, kleeof. Humans got all kinds of stupid/ugly stereotypes in their heads about this race or that race...and as soon as they see you - that is all you are. All the accumulated stereotypes they have in their heads projected on you.

It's walking into STUPID on a daily basis.

Yes, I agree 100%. 

But this is not really the type of recgonition I am talking about.

It's too bad you can't look at someone and see that they are stupid as easily as you can see if they are black,asian or white.Laughing

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Feufollet wrote:
kleelof wrote:

Yeah. You make this movie with a white guy and you can bet you'll see some black activist on CNN going on about how hollywood had ignored the black man once again by choosing a white guy to play the role of a black man.

God bless America!

1/16 black? LOL

SUrely you know Jesse Jackson. Laughing

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Kleeof, I pulled my linen out of the laundry yesterday and it was all rolled up into one tightly entangled ball. I was trying to forcibly disentangle the mess - and didn't get anywhere with it. After 15 minutes of trying, I took it out on the back porch. Held that balled up mess by one end and just shook it repeatedly....it came undone by itself....

Anywho, there isn't much left in me that can be pidgeon-holed into any race or nationality...least of all, by the color of my skin. I'm a self-made outcast...I am repelled by clannishness and tribalism.

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kleelof wrote:
Feufollet wrote:
kleelof wrote:

Yeah. You make this movie with a white guy and you can bet you'll see some black activist on CNN going on about how hollywood had ignored the black man once again by choosing a white guy to play the role of a black man.

God bless America!

1/16 black? LOL

SUrely you know Jesse Jackson. 

I saw Jesse Jackson on TV once or twice Laughing

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Fiveofswords--" he didnt descend into insanity"

I guess you haven't read his biography, then.

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Fiveofswords wrote:
dashkee94 wrote:

Fiveofswords--" he didnt descend into insanity"

I guess you haven't read his biography, then.

well no i didnt...

Of course, you could remedy that HERE.