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Is human better than computer? All computer are made by humans, so humans are better than humans. x>x never, so the whole question is absurd.

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There is one example:  Concerning the endgame of (K+2B vs. K+N).  For  300 years this endgame  was considered to be a draw.  This in spite of years of concentrated analysis.  In a book written  by GM John Nunn, Minor Piece Endings, he details how the computer was able to calculate a win.  What the computer demonstrated was that the  Bishop gains a tempo when  it rebounds off the edge of the board.  The gain of a tempo by the B has been known for  centuries.  What the  human  brain  could not conceptualize is  the gain of a tempo from a broken horizon.

That is my best attempt at explaining after many years of having read the  last chapter of the book.

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Ok, so, the computer, which is made by humans, was better than humans? Impossible. All computers are made by humans

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Depends on the frame of reference you choose.

It's true that humans make good tools.

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Yes, you got it: we have to be proud, that we make so good tools. We are good in hammering, because we have discoveryd big hammer. And we move faster than gepard, because we have automobile. And we play good chess, because we have made computers.

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Yes, I have little studied programming and I guess, I could program program that beats me. But it would be a BIG reason to be proud. So Smile, not Frown,

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So you are better over driver than the car (made by you) that drives you over? Impossible.

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petrikeckman wrote:

Ok, so, the computer, which is made by humans, was better than humans? Impossible. All computers are made by humans. 

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There are 8 classical fallacious arguments.  In other words, illogical because  in some way  they misuse the  facts.  You should google those fallacious arguments and see which you are using.

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tool is one thing, made by men, ability of the tool is another thingdependng on the tool's purpose.

Saturn V escapes from earth , but is made by human who can't alone. does it mean too Saturn V is "better" than human ? 

that paradox of "creature tool" and his use were founded bu Nietsche askingmankind not to mix tool and use; tow dimensions forbidding comparizon in term of one being "better", that does mean nothing , two classes disjointes;

QED

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Human can't do nothing without tools. Our hand and fingers are our tools made by evolution. Human and his tools can not be separated. When Deep Blue won Kasparov, the tool was used by humans which were made that tool using their brains and hands.  So: human, who used Deep Blue as their tool won Kasparov. And Saturn V did not escapes from earth alone. There were astronauts inside and many men controlling that tool on earth. Man flies to the Moon, not machine.

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the tool cannot be better than human, the result can. Man's speed is <20 mph, Indy gets with car 250 mph, so what ? people in olympic s will watch usain bolt on TV RIO 10x more than indy car competition, ven if it is 10 times slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the day two ASIMO will play tennis and serve a cannonball first service 200 mph, it will not kill Forrest Hill Flushing or wimbledon with human beings, imho.

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lol

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FRENCHBASHER wrote:

the tool cannot be better than human, the result can.

No it can't. Can hammer be better in hammering than human? No, because hammer do nothing without human. Same is with computers: they do nothing without operators. Only if forexample monkeys make a computer that is better in chess than ours, then monkeys would be better in chess than humans, but only that. Even if robots produce computers that are better in chess than computers and algorithms made by human, they are still made by human.