what do you mean you can't fault them? How about such a thing as honor and self respect? Anyone who thinks they "really won" or "didn't lose" because someone gave them what they asked for, a draw, has a serious character flaw. Also no grasp on reality. It's petty. Only a child could think in such a way. No real MAN or real WOMAN would ever ask for a draw when they are losing, as if it means they really didn't lose. That's really what I think. It's not about me winning or losing. That's not the problem I have with it. If you want to use a computer program to make it look like I have zero wins and 100 losses, I could care less. It's just a website. But, chess has honor. It's a game I respect. And I believe that people lead their lives like they play chess. What does it say about a person who obviousy doesn't know how to lose with dignity, and would rather scam someone out of a win, for what? What does that prove if you got a draw but you knew you were ready to lose that game by check mate. It's not that a person who would actually accept that request is stupid. Maybe he wants to just be nice and gie the poor guy his little winny winny fofo foo dada mama poopie doopie. It's that: what kind of low life scum is that person in real life? What kind of reality does he live in? Is he a prince ruling over a kingdom and everyone let's him winn cuz otherwise he chopps off their heads? And he still believes he earned all his wins? It just boggles my mind that such low lifes and losers live. Be careful, this guy might even have a job. Would you trust someone like that (we need to make up a word for a person who does that. I'm going to call them morons for starters, until I hear of a better more descriptive term) to flip burgers for you?
Players that ask for a draw when they are losing badly
Zengalileo, you did paint with wide paint brush that it was players of "all those countries" that behaved that way....
I'm quite sure that you haven't played ALL the players from east of the west border, given you've played a mere 461 games here....what kind of crazy, dare I say, "ignorant" stereotyping is that ?!
You misquote me. I looked over my comments and did not see where I said "all those countries." You made that up. My comments merely mention that it "seemed" to me like players from eastern countries are more often the ones to try and get a draw instead of a loss they deserve. I have a good reason to suspect there may be some custom in some eastern countries that I am not aware of. I am asking a question and wondering outloud, not making a bald assertion or accusing anybody of anything. It's just that it is so dispicable a custom, that maybe it has cultural roots, and maybe that is why they think that would be a good thing, or even not a bad thing. Usually when a set of people commit the same kind of anti social psychosis, they are connected to one another in some way. But it may just be people who have been shunned by their mothers and they are ready to go on a shooting spree if they don't not lose the next game. Or they were beat severely as a child. That would do it.
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Thatchamuk. Thanks! Got my back. I was going to respond but you said it all. I'll just add that it's not my fault I happened to notice where people are from who do this. I wasnt making a statement I was asking a question. Cant a girl ask a question around here without being racist? A simple no would have sufficed. I have no idea what customs are like in lets say Muslim lands. Maybe Mohomad told everybody to do that I dont know. But I do think Sam Harris is a god. So shoot me.
Dear zen, now you are being racist. I support kaynight.
As I said: you can't fault someone for asking for a draw in a losing position. If you're stupid enough to accept a draw from someone you're winning against then you deserve the 1/2 instead of the 1. And frankly speaking, judging by your rating and a few of your games I've looked at at random, I doubt you see quite as many winning positions as you might think you do.
To put it bluntly: grow up.
This is my first post. I have never even wanted to get involved in the forum until now. Today I was playing a player rated a good 200 points over me and I was kicking his butt. We were getting into the endgame and all of a sudden he asks for a draw. WHAT???/ A draw? Are you kidding me? I ignored his request for a while and then he pounded out some kind of tantrum like "hdh83838##$^&**hdhf((**." That is literally what he did apparently ticked off I didn't respond. This guys handle is "rubyur" by the way. So i asked him why in the world would I want to draw when I was winning by a long shot. He pouted some more and then a few minutes later he asked again for a draw. WTH??? But this experience is far from rare. I get people mostly from the eastern part of the world asking for draws when they are getting beat to death, somewhat regularly. What is this? Some kind of cultural thing? Imagine being a 1200 player and getting beat by a 1000 player. That's pretty exciting for the 1000 player. Why take that away from him? This freak weirdo "rubyur" eventually resigned when he couldn't get his way the big baby. I think this is an important topic to be discussed broadly on this forum. We have got to find a way to let players know they are to be grown-ups and not go sucking their thumb in the corner when they are losing. I have plenty of other words for these poopy diapers, but I don't want to be censored. Let's just put it ut there that if you ask for a draw when you are obviously losing you are no man or woman. You are a big fat coward.
Discuss,
Zen
Make you move, and disable chat if needed.
If it's fully within the rules, and no bending rules in any way, and not giving you an unfair advantage of any kind then it is perfectly honourable, gentlemanly/gentlewomanly, and sportsman/sportswoman-like. No draw offer can ever disadvantage your opponent nor give you an advantage unless your opponent chooses to let it, and so it is fully acceptable to offer up to one draw per move.
Can't fault someone for offering a draw when they're losing. Maybe the other person will be stupid enough to accept it.