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Chessroshi

Is there a point to this forum other than just the statement that Iwilltry beats beginner players? Perhaps someone can message me with the kernel of thought. I can make a forum about obvious observations too. The sky is blue during the day. Ok. Lower rated players are beginners, so they will tend to make moves that don't make sense as they LEARN the game. If anyone feels that they are some special wunderkind, then go play someone at or above your own lofty level so that way you can think during the game. Perhaps adding content to the learning section would be a better place to allocate time instead of boasting about how easy it is to beat the stupid lowly apes you seem to play.

happyfanatic
iwilltry wrote:

That's pretty much the type of stupidity I was referring to. It happens at the 13-1400 level even. If you play "weak", they'll all of a sudden make bold, but unsound moves to which you chuckle the first few times, but eventually you're wondering how dumb the species you belong to is.


Moves like that are an indication of inexperience, not stupidity.  Experimentation is a normal way of learning anything, and that includes making bold, unsound moves.  But when I see posts like this I do wonder a little about people who mock others who are just learning/trying something new.  

TheOldReb
iwilltry wrote:

if you dont have an internal style reference ponit, how will you know waht their likes are? are you going to memorize? i dunno, but I find that if i want to memorize an entire set of games ( i did this for fischer's ruy lopez, and his style in general) it's gonna take a while and you'll probably only be able to confirm a move or two, something we don't have time for online.


 Are you claiming you memorised all of Fischer's games in which he played the Ruy Lopez ?!

iwilltry
Chessroshi wrote:

The laws of chess exsist regardless of your opponent. The only variant is how much chess your opponent knows. I never play my opponent, only chess. A simple example of this is 1.h4. It is garbage if I am playing against an 1100 player online, and it is still garbage against Fritz 6 at 2150. It really doesn't matter who you are playing, what is on the board is there either way. One thing I learned was a lot of humility once I started running my games through a chess engine for analysis. My darling little creations that I would be so proud of would be cast in true light, and if I missed a countreattack that my opponent should have played, or I missed a snappy mate in my own attack that I played out to a draw, then I got a real chance to learn and improve my chess. Chess is not like other combat in that the physical characteristics are exactly the same for all players. It's not like Shaq vs Kobe where there is a personal difference in the performance. A knight for you and a knight for me are exactly the same. An aggressive player pushing 1.e4 and a passive player pushing 1. e4 both get the same board position.


You're saying what I'm saying. Why play something other than chess, whent he game you're playing is chess?!? Those random unsoundn moves based on emotion MAY work on some people, but they are not going to come close against anyone with an ounce of thought.

iwilltry
erikido23 wrote:
iwilltry wrote:

That's pretty much the type of stupidity I was referring to. It happens at the 13-1400 level even. If you play "weak", they'll all of a sudden make bold, but unsound moves to which you chuckle the first few times, but eventually you're wondering how dumb the species you belong to is.

I wuold feel that way about your moves.  But, it wouln't make me think you are any less of a person or an less intellegent than myself


What if you nicely try to talk to them and they behave rudely? Would you consider them stupid then?

I odn't think anyone's stupid until they give me good enough reason to.

iwilltry
Chessroshi wrote:

Is there a point to this forum other than just the statement that Iwilltry beats beginner players? Perhaps someone can message me with the kernel of thought. I can make a forum about obvious observations too. The sky is blue during the day. Ok. Lower rated players are beginners, so they will tend to make moves that don't make sense as they LEARN the game. If anyone feels that they are some special wunderkind, then go play someone at or above your own lofty level so that way you can think during the game. Perhaps adding content to the learning section would be a better place to allocate time instead of boasting about how easy it is to beat the stupid lowly apes you seem to play.


How are 13-1500 players absolute beginners? They know how to play the game well enought to not play the way we're talking about. The level we're talking about here is below 1000, yet you see it in people who should clearly know better. I don't need your smartass comments either, I have a few choice words I could use myself.

 

Come play me whenever you feel like it skip, I'd welcome a good challenge.

iwilltry
Reb wrote:
iwilltry wrote:

if you dont have an internal style reference ponit, how will you know waht their likes are? are you going to memorize? i dunno, but I find that if i want to memorize an entire set of games ( i did this for fischer's ruy lopez, and his style in general) it's gonna take a while and you'll probably only be able to confirm a move or two, something we don't have time for online.


 Are you claiming you memorised all of Fischer's games in which he played the Ruy Lopez ?!


What do you mean by memorized, do you mean do I know all the games that Fischer has played, the name of hte game, the moves, etc? No. Have I looked at an inordinate number of his Ruy Lopez games to where I have an idea of how he would play situations from opening to middle? Yes.

CPawn
atomichicken wrote:
iwilltry wrote:

if you dont have an internal style reference ponit, how will you know waht their likes are? are you going to memorize? i dunno, but I find that if i want to memorize an entire set of games ( i did this for fischer's ruy lopez, and his style in general) it's gonna take a while and you'll probably only be able to confirm a move or two, something we don't have time for online.


Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have to photographically memorise any of their games just to find out their style.


What you are saying so far is...

I know where i want to go

I know what to do when i get to a river

I know what to do when i get to the forrest

I know what to do when i get to a bridge.

But you dont have a map telling you how to get there

iwilltry
CPawn wrote:
atomichicken wrote:
iwilltry wrote:

if you dont have an internal style reference ponit, how will you know waht their likes are? are you going to memorize? i dunno, but I find that if i want to memorize an entire set of games ( i did this for fischer's ruy lopez, and his style in general) it's gonna take a while and you'll probably only be able to confirm a move or two, something we don't have time for online.


Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have to photographically memorise any of their games just to find out their style.


What you are saying so far is...

I know where i want to go

I know what to do when i get to a river

I know what to do when i get to the forrest

I know what to do when i get to a bridge.

But you dont have a map telling you how to get there


Well that's interesting, someone bothers to understand what I'm saying rather than their own argument only or some inane interpretation of mine.

iwilltry
happyfanatic wrote:
iwilltry wrote:

That's pretty much the type of stupidity I was referring to. It happens at the 13-1400 level even. If you play "weak", they'll all of a sudden make bold, but unsound moves to which you chuckle the first few times, but eventually you're wondering how dumb the species you belong to is.


Moves like that are an indication of inexperience, not stupidity.  Experimentation is a normal way of learning anything, and that includes making bold, unsound moves.  But when I see posts like this I do wonder a little about people who mock others who are just learning/trying something new.  


For the last time, I'm talking about peole who should know better. It's like a 1700 player who won't resign against another 1700 player that has won a major piece and a few minor pieces already. They know better, but if they don't do better, it's annoying.

iwilltry
Chronic420 wrote:

yo man iwilltry your tryin to be too deep man...unravel the thought...... t or gtfo


Im' not trying to be too deep, you're not understanding but representing humility in some twisted way.

I tried to explain it to him a couple of times, he wouldn't understand my point the way I was explaining it so maybe he needs to do it his own way.

Knightly

Thanks for the thoughts.

sam0405

 "playing your opponent" is not as ridiculous as you think, even GM's do so, and seen as hes already been mentioned: Lasker was known for playing quiet positional games against players known for their tactical ability,  and vice versa.

erikido23
iwilltry wrote:
erikido23 wrote:
iwilltry wrote:

That's pretty much the type of stupidity I was referring to. It happens at the 13-1400 level even. If you play "weak", they'll all of a sudden make bold, but unsound moves to which you chuckle the first few times, but eventually you're wondering how dumb the species you belong to is.

I wuold feel that way about your moves.  But, it wouln't make me think you are any less of a person or an less intellegent than myself


What if you nicely try to talk to them and they behave rudely? Would you consider them stupid then?

I odn't think anyone's stupid until they give me good enough reason to.


 No, I would just think that they were rude.  Not being able to play a silly game well would not make me think that someone is stupid(just that they are inexperienced in said game). 

atomichicken
iwilltry wrote:
CPawn wrote:
atomichicken wrote:
iwilltry wrote:

if you dont have an internal style reference ponit, how will you know waht their likes are? are you going to memorize? i dunno, but I find that if i want to memorize an entire set of games ( i did this for fischer's ruy lopez, and his style in general) it's gonna take a while and you'll probably only be able to confirm a move or two, something we don't have time for online.


Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have to photographically memorise any of their games just to find out their style.


What you are saying so far is...

I know where i want to go

I know what to do when i get to a river

I know what to do when i get to the forrest

I know what to do when i get to a bridge.

But you dont have a map telling you how to get there


Well that's interesting, someone bothers to understand what I'm saying rather than their own argument only or some inane interpretation of mine.


Perhaps I would understand if you articulated your thoughts better. And if I'm so stupid, how about answering my last comment then.

atomichicken
CPawn wrote:
atomichicken wrote:
iwilltry wrote:

if you dont have an internal style reference ponit, how will you know waht their likes are? are you going to memorize? i dunno, but I find that if i want to memorize an entire set of games ( i did this for fischer's ruy lopez, and his style in general) it's gonna take a while and you'll probably only be able to confirm a move or two, something we don't have time for online.


Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have to photographically memorise any of their games just to find out their style.


What you are saying so far is...

I know where i want to go

I know what to do when i get to a river

I know what to do when i get to the forrest

I know what to do when i get to a bridge.

But you dont have a map telling you how to get there


Sorry but I don't know what the heck you're talking about either..

erikido23
atomichicken wrote:
CPawn wrote:
atomichicken wrote:
iwilltry wrote:

if you dont have an internal style reference ponit, how will you know waht their likes are? are you going to memorize? i dunno, but I find that if i want to memorize an entire set of games ( i did this for fischer's ruy lopez, and his style in general) it's gonna take a while and you'll probably only be able to confirm a move or two, something we don't have time for online.


Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have to photographically memorise any of their games just to find out their style.


What you are saying so far is...

I know where i want to go

I know what to do when i get to a river

I know what to do when i get to the forrest

I know what to do when i get to a bridge.

But you dont have a map telling you how to get there


Sorry but I don't know what the heck you're talking about either..


 I don't think even he really does. 

 

One of the last posts made it sound like he was referring to not knowing when to resign.*shrugs*

bigmac30

in my forem in the game analysis i played a week player the thing you have to do agianst them because of there unpredicability is to have a good flexible plan wist sticking to your goals that iks the on;y way u can play well against week or inexperianced players

iwilltry

LMAO

 

INTERNAL REFERENCE POINT.

 

How do you know what blue is if you don't know what red is?! UNDERSTAND?!?!?!?!?! LMAO!!!!!!

iwilltry

Holy jeez I don't like to call people out on stuff like that but you guys are being retards, OR you're doing it on purpose to get a rise out of someone.