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Eseles
MSC157 wrote:
MSC157 wrote:

Grand Chess Tour 2017 - Leuven

45 games of rapid
90 games of blitz
Deadline for predictions: June 28, 2017 at 14:00 LOC

https://goo.gl/forms/se4GBFS02Ih9Joma2

This is different than the Paris one, right?

Are you sure that you have the correct number of games?

Eseles
Mihai-Stefan wrote:

We have a play-off! What a tournament!

 

Yeah MVL - Carlsen tiebreak!

I hope MVL wins! happy.png

Mihai-Stefan
Eseles wrote:
MSC157 wrote:
MSC157 wrote:

Grand Chess Tour 2017 - Leuven

45 games of rapid
90 games of blitz
Deadline for predictions: June 28, 2017 at 14:00 LOC

https://goo.gl/forms/se4GBFS02Ih9Joma2

This is different than the Paris one, right?

Are you sure that you have the correct number of games?

It's the same format!

ThomasJEvans

Full standings after Paris:

 

Username Norway Paris   Total
AlonEfrati 14 57   71
NewArdweaden 14 55   69
SJFG 12 56   68
MSC157 13 52   65
ThomasJEvans 13 51   64
sjurvull 0 61   61
Pulpofeira 14 46   60
jdfam7 0 59   59
dogymouth 0 57   57
macer75 13 43   56
Jmironski 0 54   54
Mihai-Stefan 3 45   48
sachfanis 0 44   44
kingofshedinjas 11 31   42
Eseles 10 25   35
fayfay1 0 30   30
Pawn_Checkmate 0 27   27
Alviz 0 20   20
goldenstar2660 15 0   15
ltdunn 0 15   15
12Knaves 14 0   14
Burguulkodar 14 0   14
LarrattGHP9 14 0   14
mitchellm 14 0   14
mmalone16 14 0   14
VilleVesten 14 0   14
AGW2016 12 0   12
I_Iskandar 12 0   12
Sumiye 12 0   12
AngeloPardi 11 0   11
EOGuel 11 0   11
Franklin21 11 0   11
Riffo92 11 0   11
Boyangzhao 10 0   10
catalin009 10 0   10
Chesszone9937 10 0   10
EpicDerp 10 0   10
Harmbtn 10 0   10
RookSacrifice 10 0   10
Zaratustrik 10 0   10
J_Idhikash 9 0   9
Paldrick 9 0   9
Pyncho 8 0   8
Alekz14 7 0   7
Schachmasteo 7 0   7
dan5k 6 0   6
Fischerqt 6 0   6
aa-ron1235 5 0   5
Arjun316694 4 0   4
knig22 4 0   4
lefier 3 0   3
mudangii 3 0   3
aaronmutchler 2 0   2
piperose 1 0   1
AmbroseWinters 0 0   0
lmxbiz 0 0   0

 

@MSC157 maybe you should change the weighting of the scores; Paris has much more effect on the standings than Norway (maybe try and keep them equal?). Also, I have a spreadsheet template I knocked up in a few minutes that automatically fetches each player's results from each sheet, if you want me to send it to you then I'm happy to do that.

NewArdweaden
ThomasJEvans wrote:

@MSC157 maybe you should change the weighting of the scores; Paris has much more effect on the standings than Norway (maybe try and keep them equal?). Also, I have a spreadsheet template I knocked up in a few minutes that automatically fetches each player's results from each sheet, if you want me to send it to you then I'm happy to do that.

True. Norway results should be multiplied by 4 or smth

Mihai-Stefan

Too late now, next time!

MSC157

Thank you everyone for all the insightful posts. First of all, I should tell you that I forgot my charger for the laptop at home, so I will have some difficulties operating when it's lights off 😅

@ThomasJEvans, this is amazing. It makes everything so much easier. I'd be very pleased in case you decide to share (and I then know how to use it) 😆

All the criticism about the points... now when you mentioned it, I see your points. I'll tell you my scoring system. Normally I take number of games, divide it by 3 to get MaxPts and then again divide it by 3 to get WinnerPts. So, bigger tournaments gets more points in retrospect. World Cup should be significantly big then.

So, what to do. Hmmm. Maybe make GCT events big (like Paris. Definitely Leuven now, but also Sinq, St. Louis and London), and keep others approximately even? Any ideas?

Mihai-Stefan

I suggest for the World Cup because there are so many players to divide the table by 8 and to predict the winner for each of the eight parts (let us write the name in the Google form) besides predicting semi-finalists , finalists and winner. Of course, getting a player right in one of the eight parts will get you less points than getting a semi-finalist right and so on. It's like the prediction of the Speed chess tournament made nu the chess.com staff if you know it. I hope you understand!

ThomasJEvans
MSC157 wrote:

Thank you everyone for all the insightful posts. First of all, I should tell you that I forgot my charger for the laptop at home, so I will have some difficulties operating when it's lights off 😅

@ThomasJEvans, this is amazing. It makes everything so much easier. I'd be very pleased in case you decide to share (and I then know how to use it) 😆

All the criticism about the points... now when you mentioned it, I see your points. I'll tell you my scoring system. Normally I take number of games, divide it by 3 to get MaxPts and then again divide it by 3 to get WinnerPts. So, bigger tournaments gets more points in retrospect. World Cup should be significantly big then.

So, what to do. Hmmm. Maybe make GCT events big (like Paris. Definitely Leuven now, but also Sinq, St. Louis and London), and keep others approximately even? Any ideas?

 

With the points, I would say try and keep tournaments between 20-30 and 50 points. The max for Norway was 20 and for Paris was 70, and I would not say that Paris is 3x more important than Norway. I think the winner/podium should be allocated more points than it currently is; otherwise it comes to everyone guessing Carlsen for events he is in, and then guesstimating the decisive games.

 

In terms of points, I would change the points to the following:

Norway: 15pts for decisive games, 10/15 points for winner (but seeing as no-one got it right it won't affect standings at all) = 25/30 total
Paris: 15 for Rapid decisive, 5 for Rapid winner, 15 for Blitz decisive (with points decreasing by 0.5 for every game out), 5 for Blitz winner, 10 for overall winner = 50 total

This is a suggestion only, but would bring the events totals closer together. I think that the winner's points should be much more than 1/3rd of the decisive games points (probably closer to a 60:40-50:50 split between decisive:winner).

 

And if you PM me your e-mail, then I will send you the spreadsheet with my G-mail account. Obviously you will need to add more sheets for events and extend the Totals sheet, but the template for it is the same and hopefully easy(ish) to grasp. Or, if it is easier for you, you could allow me to edit the spreadsheet so that I can add the additional sheet (to which you will need my G-mail address), but I presume you would prefer to keep full control over the spreadsheet.

Eseles

I tried to spice it up by not selecting Carlsen

I'll see what I can do for Leuven shock.png

Mihai-Stefan

If we could predict the podium or something like that (maybe predict last place) then we could receiver more points in total and could balance events!

MSC157

I'll take everything into account for the events after Leuven, which will stay the same for now (I don't have much time, last exams). Gonna be interesting now without Carlsen in 3rd FIDE tourney and Biel and Dortmund etc. But yes, fair points. 

@Thomas, I will PM you my email and will see what I can do Tongue Out 

Meanwhile... Wink

Smokus

I predict Ian Nepomniachtchi to win the tournament in Leuven. 

Eseles

Alright, I submitted my predictions... or were they more like preferences...? probably more of the latter grin.png

MSC157
MSC157 wrote:

Grand Chess Tour 2017 - Leuven

45 games of rapid
90 games of blitz
Deadline for predictions: June 28, 2017 at 14:00 LOC

https://goo.gl/forms/se4GBFS02Ih9Joma2

MSC157
MSC157 wrote:

Grand Chess Tour 2017 - Leuven

https://goo.gl/forms/se4GBFS02Ih9Joma2

10 minutes left!!!

MSC157

This should not be forgotten :) Chucky!

https://youtu.be/mrjYc-V-ZaY?t=4h21m5s

ThomasJEvans
MSC157 wrote:

This should not be forgotten :) Chucky!

https://youtu.be/mrjYc-V-ZaY?t=4h21m5s

 

The way he goes "Yeah I remember an online game against a GM once" and then recalls the moves almost perfectly (bearing in mind this was probably blitz) and then puts that to his game he's playing now. What a memory! And great that Yasser could find it as well.

 

Sometimes I get similar things happen during my games where I get the same opening to a game I played 18 months ago, and then I just sit there looking either down in my hands or up in the ceiling with my eyes closed trying to remember the moves and what I did right/wrong; makes me wonder what my opponent thinks when I do that! Just a shame I don't remember it as well as Ivanchuk...

Eseles
MSC157 wrote:

This should not be forgotten :) Chucky!

https://youtu.be/mrjYc-V-ZaY?t=4h21m5s

I missed most of today's live broadcast, but thankfully not this part.

I hope that Chucky wins more games and gives more interviews like that, and that you will always point them out here, please!

macer75

The draw master has trolled us again!

Your Next Move (Leuven) Grand Chess Tour | Rapid, Round 9 Standings

# Fed Name Rtg Perf 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 Pts SB
1   So,Wesley 2789 2991   1 2 1 1 2 2 2 1 2 14.0/18  
2   Vachier-Lagrave,Maxime 2783 2895 1   1 1 2 0 1 2 2 2 12.0/18  
3   Carlsen,Magnus 2851 2846 0 1   1 1 2 2 1 1 2 11.0/18  
4   Giri,Anish 2764 2815 1 1 1   0 2 1 1 2 1 10.0/18  
5   Nepomniachtchi,Ian 2766 2776 1 0 1 2   2 1 0 0 2 9.0/18 18.50
6   Aronian,Levon 2780 2776 0 2 0 0 0   2 2 1 2 9.0/18 16.75
7   Kramnik,Vladimir 2789 2775 0 1 0 1 1 0   2 2 2 9.0/18 15.75
8   Anand,Viswanathan 2775 2738 0 0 1 1 2 0 0   2 2 8.0/18  
9   Ivanchuk,Vassily 2757 2700 1 0 1 0 2 1 0 0   2 7.0/18  
10   Jobava,Baadur 2703 2292 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0   1.0/18 Â