i guees ponziani is officially refuted....
Ponz Says He Can Refute Ponziani!
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duck29 I disagree. The Ponziani is not officially refuted because
1. I have not won all 7 games
2. We are testing the hardest variation against the Ponziani. We will find out where some have gone wrong [example the 12. Qa6 move] and from this information we will find the right way in this very complicated Fraser variation.
3. The Fraser Defense is very complicated. Very few players with Black will even try it. If they do, the best Ponziani Players will be ready for it.
One of the reasons I started this forum was for the entertainment value.
Aother reason is I always seek the "truth" in chess including this variation.
Another reason is after all 7 games are complete there will be a lot of theory added to this variation and players can go from there...
This variation may scare a lot of people but you will rarely see it in over-the-board or in various forms of chess.
ponz111 wrote:
3. The Fraser Defense is very complicated. Very few players with Black will even try it. If they do, the best Ponziani Players will be ready for it.
I agree. The Fraser would be a nice choice only if some sort of advantage was proven for Black. Since it's apparently equal, I won't bother at all- both in OTB and correspondence play (for different reasons).
My current choice (3...Nf6 4.d4 ed4 5.e5 Nd5!) is also equal, easy to play as Black, and gives plenty of opportunities to get a Black advantage if white positionally misplays it.
BTW I agree with Ponz that after 5...Nd5! the move 6.cd4 is almost surely best, but this is it: I think Black still has a great game.
W6. Bd3 ?!
pfren, i also like this line(i'm currently playing a VC with this line as black, though my team made a mistake and it's in worse position now). The game continued 6.cxd4 d6 7.Bb5 Be7 8.Nc3 Be6, and the game looks equal.
The book I co authored says to play 6. Qb3 but Now I think 6. cxd4 is best [but equal] In practical terms if you do not play pfren it is equal but chances for both sides. If you are playing computer assisted chess it is very equal.
Worstiest, are you playing against PP?
ponz111, yep. In 2 games, but with them in the third.
The_Worstiest I think you are a member of several top teams? Is it possible for a non member of those teams to never-the-less watch the vote chess games?
ponz, i believe if you want to learn something, you should do it from the most experienced that you know(i wish be in more specific teams, but i can't yet). But what do you mean by watch the vote chess games?
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I would like to be able to watch some vote chess games without being on either team and wonder it that is possible?
For example I would love to watch the vote chess games of Ponziani Power [my old team] but I do not want to participate in the vote chess or be a member of that team.
ponz111 wrote:
I would like to be able to watch some vote chess games without being on either team and wonder it that is possible?
For example I would love to watch the vote chess games of Ponziani Power [my old team] but I do not want to participate in the vote chess or be a member of that team.
Well, you simply need to go to the Vote Chess page of the group, in PP case, this one: http://www.chess.com/groups/votechess/ponziani-power, and you will see the current ones, and the completed ones.
Worstiest Thank you very much! Now I can view the games!
I see Ponziani Power is playing #18 and #29 and not sure about the 3rd tream
the game vs #18 thepirate crew is a rematch
bigclound I had more games than wanted and decided to accept that this game was a draw so I could concentrate on the other games. I also saw a lot of pitfalls for trying to win with Black in that position. Not to mention the chess engines were repeatedly giving 0.00 I just think it is a draw.
However, I hope someone takes up your challenge.
6. Be3 is a reasonable try however this gives Black a small positional advantage:
The 2nd game FM Bluebird 1964 vs Ponz111 is over 0-1
I will have to say that in this variation playing without a chess engine is just about futile. Also, he resigned at an early point. Here is the game:
Yaktrinas, no, he did not use an engine through his friend. He talked and analyzed [with his friend] this very complex variation before the game ever started. After the game [both games] started he did not use a chess engine.
It is amazing that he does so well without using a chess engine. Right now he is leading the Ponziani Tournament where chess engines are allowed [and encouraged] but I think in that tournament, again, he is not using a chess engine.
I think, he does not even have a chess engine. He takes a lot of notes instead.
Although this is my first time at a sort of centaur chess, I could "tell" he was not using a chess engine.
I now feel a little guilty.
The 4th game is with Mainline_Novelty and it is the same as the game vs Expertise [above] through the 12th move.