A question is how will you refute the Ponziani if u are playing Black??? Isn't the Ponzizni a Black choice,any way if the games are unrated I can take either side white or Black
Ponz Says He Can Refute Ponziani!
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mzo2014
I am saying I will take the black side against the Ponziani and I may have a line to refute the Ponziani.
If I take the black side and win against 2 or 3 strong players with chess engine help for both sides it will be an indication that I can refute the Ponziani. It will not be 100% proof but Ponz saying he thinks he has a line to refute the Ponziani is significant.
This is cool... I woud be interested in at least see the games if not play them.
Is the Ponziani 1-e4 e5 2-Nf3 Nc6 3-c3
mzo yes that is the Ponziani
trandom you must have a chess engine and must be very strong do you meet both requirements?
tandom I will choose the 2 or 3 strongest who reply to this. Since this is a very unusual challenge I explect to get a lot of challengers. Thank you for saying you would like to be one of them. There will be ground rules I have not gotten into yet. Also I will wait until I have 2 or 3.
But I don't have a strong chess engine and I'm not very strong my self
Sorry mzo that means you do not qualify.
Expertise87 good! we got a very strong player who has a chess engine
So you are the first who meets the requirements.
I am suggesting I play 2 or 3 strong players like you with separate games and games posted with a delay [if that is possible] After I get a couple of more players will try and set it up for unrated games with chess engines allowed.
Trandom it appears you also meet the requirements. You are the 2nd player. Need one more. Trandom pls send friend request so I can discuss in detail.
I have doctor appointment so getting 3rd player will be delayed a few hours.
Can't wait to see how this one plays out, are you going to give updates? My coach & I tried to resurect the Sicilian Dragon many years ago when it was out of favour at GM level. We had a good line that was winning OTB at tournaments but under many hours of analysis we eventually came up with a negative proof so we didn't publish it. It was still a valuable learning exercise though.
You are going the other way trying to refute an opening but the logistics are much the same. I hope you get the result you are looking for, our moment of fame died after 100's of hours work but we still learned much from the attempt
ponz, make a one man group for yourself, and challenge adcanced chess group to a vote game. You'll not get stronger centaur than that here.
May I try? :) I was analysing it once as white. Also my grandgrandfather's friend was a GM (1...d6). If you know what I mean. 
I think 3 strong players playing separately is more of a challenge than a strong player vote chess. However if others think the vote chess thing is stronger=--please elaborate why it would be stronger?
Dear friends and even non friends.
I always try to be very honest in my statements. To "refute" an opening it is not good enough to give a line that forces a draw. To refute an opening one must give a line which wins against that opening.
I may have found such a line. Repeat "I MAY have found such a line."
I would like to test the line out via Centaur Chess. I would like 2 or 3 volunteers to play a game where I have the black side of the Ponziani. This would be chess engine assisted and not rated. We could even give the 2 oe 3 games here with a time delay. By this I mean give moves here but not up to date--a few moves behind.
Any volunteers for this experiment, please speak up.
The stronger the volunteers the better.
Having said all of this, I still think the Ponziani will be a practical opening for many years to come..