Promoting to....A PAWN ? Can it Help ?
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EndgameStudy wrote:
What if after A8=Q, Kxh3, then Qh8? Bishop can't mate.
a8=Q gxh3 and Qh8 can't help.
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Nov 1, 2017
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#184
NelsonMoore wrote:
beautifully contrived position. After making a8 a pawn, Kxh3 or gxh3 is stalemate. If you promoted to a piece, whether bxa8 or b8 you will lose. If bxa8=Q for example, gxh3 and unstoppable checkmate. If b8=Q Rxb8 and white can play Bxg2 but will soon lose.
After bxa8=P if black plays any move other than capturing the bishop then Bxg2 will give a simple opposite-coloured bishops drawn endgame.
I'm not sure if was contrived. Do u mean composed or "arrived" ?
If it was composed ?....then what is the reason for the pawn @g6 ?
Nov 1, 2017
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#185
Here (Reshko vs Kaminski Leningrad Championship 1972), in playing 1. a8=pawn !!, I believe white wins. !. a8=Q or R, and black goes 1...Qf7+ & gets a stalemate.
IDK wut happens about getting a B or a Kn. I do know that white is almost in ZZ 'cuza 1. g5 Qf3#.
IDK.....wildly complicated stuff....yay !!
Nov 1, 2017
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#186
The question is, after 1. a8=pawn !!
Now, wut does black play to hold a draw ?
1....Qf3 seems right to me, but IDK. Only 'cuz 1....g6 loses outright. And no other pieces can move.
Nov 3, 2017
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#187
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
NelsonMoore wrote:
beautifully contrived position. After making a8 a pawn, Kxh3 or gxh3 is stalemate. If you promoted to a piece, whether bxa8 or b8 you will lose. If bxa8=Q for example, gxh3 and unstoppable checkmate. If b8=Q Rxb8 and white can play Bxg2 but will soon lose.
After bxa8=P if black plays any move other than capturing the bishop then Bxg2 will give a simple opposite-coloured bishops drawn endgame.
I'm not sure if was contrived. Do u mean composed or "arrived" ?
If it was composed ?....then what is the reason for the pawn @g6 ?
The position was surely composed. The g6-P prevents 1.bxa8(Q) gxh3 2.Qg8+ winning.
Nov 3, 2017
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#188
Re the position from Reshko vs Kaminski Leningrad Championship 1972, if you click on the Engine Analysis button below the diagram, Stockfish tells you that 1.a8(B)! mates in 20. Googling the game, it seems that Reshko did play the bishop promotion, so it's a pretty cool instance of such a move in a real game.
As for creating a position in which only "promoting" to a pawn would win, it's conceivable but unlikely to be possible. You need a situation like in the Reshko vs Kaminski game where a normal promotion would allow Black to force a stalemate. However, promoting to a rook, bishop, or knight results in White controlling completely different squares, so in answer to each type of promotion, Black needs to set up a different type of stalemate position. That's why I'd say: not bloody likely!
I just realized, if you don't promote your pawn, you cannot use it anymore as pawns can only move forward (at this point it is already at the top of opponents side) and can only eat diagonally (in which there is no more space for pieces to move above it) so it will just basically sit at the end for the rest of the game, which is useless.
Nov 4, 2017
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#190
Which is EXACTLY whatchu may need to get the point or salvage ahaffa point.
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
....thus the square in which the pawn resides becomes an occupied yet dormant square.>>>
Therefore it could only help the opponent, since it would reduce by one the number of squares that the other pieces could move to.
Nov 4, 2017
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#193
gingerninja2003 wrote:
promoting to a pawn can help but it's never best.
That's unproven.
The question is though: Would u be able to change it into another piece later on, or is the decision final?
I cannot believe people continue to talk about promoting a pawn to a pawn. Obviously that's not a promotion. The rules require promotion. Why bother discussing how non-promotion would affect certain endgame positions? You may as well discuss how positions would be affected if one had the option of moving his queen as a knight.
Nov 5, 2017
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#197
i think i will write a book "how to empty your mind of all cluless thoughts and think like a boss".
Nov 7, 2017
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#198
So. If u do not announce a certain piece for promotion, then it remains a lowly pawn....'cuz u skrooed up.
It could certainly be useful to promote to a pawn. Because then you can wait to promote again to a more helpful piece at a later better time. If you can’t re-promote after promoting to a pawn, then I don’t know.
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