1. Why is it a loss of tempo, when white uses 1 tempo to capture c5 anyway?
Its a loss of a temp because black has moved the bishop twice, when he could have used the move to develop another piece. Now say that black plays something like ...Nc6, white plays dc5, and then black plays Bc5. That is not the loss of a tempo.
2. How does black avoid this? c5xd4 and then develop bishop?
There are some openings, like the Queens Gambit, where it cannot be avoided.
Thanks for the response, makes sense.
Do you have a move in particular in this position that would allow the bishop to develop? or is cxd4 the only option?
Do you have a move in particular in this position that would allow the bishop to develop? or is cxd4 the only option?
cxd4 does not deveop the bishop.
Also, in that position it's white to move, but if it were black to move, any legal bishop move would count as development. Developing a knight or bishop just means moving it off the back rank.
Ok, but if it were black to move and you wanted to avoid the loss of tempo associated with white capturing on c5, then you could play cxd4 first, and only after that move the bishop.
LM_player and ghost, I realize that 2 tempos vs 1 tempo is actually pretty obvious lol
Thanks!
Do you have a move in particular in this position that would allow the bishop to develop? or is cxd4 the only option?
cxd4 does not deveop the bishop.
Ok, but if it were black to move and you wanted to avoid the loss of tempo associated with white capturing on c5, then you could play cxd4 first, and only after that move the bishop.
I know that cxd4 doesn't directly develop the bishop, obviously.
My question is: Is cxd4 the only response to get the bishop out, in this position? I'm aware its not black's move
Sorry, I see you even suggested cxd earlier, let me try to read the question again.
My question is: Is cxd4 the only response to get the bishop out, in this position? I'm aware its not black's move
I'm still a bit confused, sorry about that. Let me put the move on a board.
So your question is "is cxd4 the only response to get the bishop out"
I guess my answer is no, there are other options, but 1...cxd4 is a good move, and I'd probably play it.
Part of the reason I'd play it is that, as you said, the bishop can move without having to worry about moving again to recapture.
But as IMBacon said, there are some positions where minor losses of tempo are unavoidable. But yes, if the white player gives you this option, then I would take it.
The GM said, however that once the bishop moves (e.g. Be7) only then it is favorable for white to capture c5, moving the bishop a second time.
Maybe part of the question is the GM's phrasing.
White doesn't gain an advantage per se, by waiting for the bishop to move before capturing.
The GM is just explaining how moves can be more efficient. If white definitely wants to capture on c5, then the best way to do it is to wait for the bishop to move.
This sort of battle of wills can happen in the queen's gambit, for example
Hey thanks for looking, I realize what I posed is weirdly specific and maybe I didn't explain in the best way. I think your right, if i want to get my bishop out here I need to just play cxd4. I cant fiancetto, cause thats a terrible position for the bishop. I have always played 4. ...Be7 5.dxc5 Bxc5 because I like the bishop on c5! but apparently not the ideal development because of the loss of tempo
Hi All
I was watching a video where a GM mentioned off-hand details about tempo regarding a bishop development. When black plays c5, it's of course favorable for black if white captures, following Bxc5, developing the bishop. This makes sense to me
The GM said, however that once the bishop moves (e.g. Be7) only then it is favorable for white to capture c5, moving the bishop a second time. I have a few questions
1. Why is it a loss of tempo, when white uses 1 tempo to capture c5 anyway?
2. How does black avoid this? c5xd4 and then develop bishop?
Note: I not contesting a GM's knowledge I am simply wanting to fully understand this. Please keep your help contained in the questions posed.
Thanks!