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Goldenlion77
drobilka wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:

so first of all, the Nf3 move order in the london can be refuted by black so u should delay Nf3 until black plays e6.And to see moves like Bxg6, u gotta evaluate ur position first by checking how many pieces u have around his/her king and how many he/she has for defense. For example, after sacrificing a piece if u have like 4 pieces on the attack and ur opponent has only one piece to defend with, its a good investment generally. Then u gotta start calculating lines to check if u get good amount of material back or u have a possibility to mate the opponent. If the lines u calculated fulfill either of these conditions, u must go for it. This is what I do when I see an opportunity to sac and most often than not it works. And regarding your second point, no d4 is not that difficult to find IMO. there is this principle in chess which states that a flank attack must be met with a central breakthrough and I am sure ppl who know this will at least consider the move d4. In the third point u asked how to balance principled play and aggression. Well, u gain that skill only thru playing more games IMO. And the 4th point is actually connected with my first point-If u have enough pieces near ur king, there is no reason for prophylaxis cuz u can defend easily. In ur game, black was a bit passive and would have needed at least 5-6 moves to generate an attack. While Kb1 isn't wrong(it actually shows a good understanding of prophylaxis) it is definitely a bit early IMO. yep, thats all ig, hope I answered ur questions, good luck with your chess!

I play the Nf3 move order, since I play the Torre against the KID.

I don't know, sometimes I know I should sacrifice, I think it's good, but I'm too scared to play it. Then other times, I hand away free pieces for no reason. Your advice makes a lot of sense though, thanks!

Yeah, that's the problem - a lot of people would find it otb. The problem I have is that I allow way too much counterplay when I'm attacking

Thanks so much!

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Goldenlion77 wrote:
Goldenlion77 wrote:

the second board confuses me because I dont understand it lol. In terms of thought proccess in that postion you want to find a way to open up the king with your pieces and attack ig

this is mainly the plan/idea

my problem is that I can't find a way to execute the idea/I have terrible execution and hang a ton of pieces.

Goldenlion77
drobilka wrote:
Goldenlion77 wrote:
Goldenlion77 wrote:

the second board confuses me because I dont understand it lol. In terms of thought proccess in that postion you want to find a way to open up the king with your pieces and attack ig

this is mainly the plan/idea

my problem is that I can't find a way to execute the idea/I have terrible execution and hang a ton of pieces.

well then tactics and coordination!

vishnu_vijay_93
drobilka wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:

so first of all, the Nf3 move order in the london can be refuted by black so u should delay Nf3 until black plays e6.And to see moves like Bxg6, u gotta evaluate ur position first by checking how many pieces u have around his/her king and how many he/she has for defense. For example, after sacrificing a piece if u have like 4 pieces on the attack and ur opponent has only one piece to defend with, its a good investment generally. Then u gotta start calculating lines to check if u get good amount of material back or u have a possibility to mate the opponent. If the lines u calculated fulfill either of these conditions, u must go for it. This is what I do when I see an opportunity to sac and most often than not it works. And regarding your second point, no d4 is not that difficult to find IMO. there is this principle in chess which states that a flank attack must be met with a central breakthrough and I am sure ppl who know this will at least consider the move d4. In the third point u asked how to balance principled play and aggression. Well, u gain that skill only thru playing more games IMO. And the 4th point is actually connected with my first point-If u have enough pieces near ur king, there is no reason for prophylaxis cuz u can defend easily. In ur game, black was a bit passive and would have needed at least 5-6 moves to generate an attack. While Kb1 isn't wrong(it actually shows a good understanding of prophylaxis) it is definitely a bit early IMO. yep, thats all ig, hope I answered ur questions, good luck with your chess!

I play the Nf3 move order, since I play the Torre against the KID.

I don't know, sometimes I know I should sacrifice, I think it's good, but I'm too scared to play it. Then other times, I hand away free pieces for no reason. Your advice makes a lot of sense though, thanks!

Yeah, that's the problem - a lot of people would find it otb. The problem I have is that I allow way too much counterplay when I'm attacking

Thanks so much!

no issues, u might wanna consider placing one of ur pieces which did not participate in the attack on d4 as a blockade to prevent counterplay for at least 5 moves before ur opponent eventually breaks through

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23Dragons wrote:

After Rh1, you're actually not trading because of this line: d4 is best however.

 

wait what is Qf1, and how does that refute Rh8? Im so confused. :/

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Goldenlion77 wrote:
drobilka wrote:
Goldenlion77 wrote:
Goldenlion77 wrote:

the second board confuses me because I dont understand it lol. In terms of thought proccess in that postion you want to find a way to open up the king with your pieces and attack ig

this is mainly the plan/idea

my problem is that I can't find a way to execute the idea/I have terrible execution and hang a ton of pieces.

well then tactics and coordination!

Oof ig i just need to practice more rip 

Goldenlion77
drobilka wrote:
Goldenlion77 wrote:
drobilka wrote:
Goldenlion77 wrote:
Goldenlion77 wrote:

the second board confuses me because I dont understand it lol. In terms of thought proccess in that postion you want to find a way to open up the king with your pieces and attack ig

this is mainly the plan/idea

my problem is that I can't find a way to execute the idea/I have terrible execution and hang a ton of pieces.

well then tactics and coordination!

Oof ig i just need to practice more rip 

ofc! 

23Dragons
drobilka wrote:
23Dragons wrote:

After Rh1, you're actually not trading because of this line: d4 is best however.

 

wait what is Qf1, and how does that refute Rh8? Im so confused. :/

Qf1 is pretty simple: The queen threatens to go to h1 and infiltrate via h6. However I might have missed something when I flash analyzed.

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vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:
drobilka wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:

so first of all, the Nf3 move order in the london can be refuted by black so u should delay Nf3 until black plays e6.And to see moves like Bxg6, u gotta evaluate ur position first by checking how many pieces u have around his/her king and how many he/she has for defense. For example, after sacrificing a piece if u have like 4 pieces on the attack and ur opponent has only one piece to defend with, its a good investment generally. Then u gotta start calculating lines to check if u get good amount of material back or u have a possibility to mate the opponent. If the lines u calculated fulfill either of these conditions, u must go for it. This is what I do when I see an opportunity to sac and most often than not it works. And regarding your second point, no d4 is not that difficult to find IMO. there is this principle in chess which states that a flank attack must be met with a central breakthrough and I am sure ppl who know this will at least consider the move d4. In the third point u asked how to balance principled play and aggression. Well, u gain that skill only thru playing more games IMO. And the 4th point is actually connected with my first point-If u have enough pieces near ur king, there is no reason for prophylaxis cuz u can defend easily. In ur game, black was a bit passive and would have needed at least 5-6 moves to generate an attack. While Kb1 isn't wrong(it actually shows a good understanding of prophylaxis) it is definitely a bit early IMO. yep, thats all ig, hope I answered ur questions, good luck with your chess!

I play the Nf3 move order, since I play the Torre against the KID.

I don't know, sometimes I know I should sacrifice, I think it's good, but I'm too scared to play it. Then other times, I hand away free pieces for no reason. Your advice makes a lot of sense though, thanks!

Yeah, that's the problem - a lot of people would find it otb. The problem I have is that I allow way too much counterplay when I'm attacking

Thanks so much!

no issues, u might wanna consider placing one of ur pieces which did not participate in the attack on d4 as a blockade to prevent counterplay for at least 5 moves before ur opponent eventually breaks through

So from that perspective, playing something like Nb3-d5 then attacking is better?

WAIT THIS ACTUALLY MAKES SO MUCH SENSE AHHHH 

So basically, before I go for a flank attack, I should somehow secure/blockade the centre? happy.png

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23Dragons wrote:
drobilka wrote:
23Dragons wrote:

After Rh1, you're actually not trading because of this line: d4 is best however.

 

wait what is Qf1, and how does that refute Rh8? Im so confused. :/

Qf1 is pretty simple: The queen threatens to go to h1 and infiltrate via h6. However I might have missed something when I flash analyzed.

Let's say Qf1, Nc5? I don't understand, afaik the queen is only misplaced on h6 (although I legit cannot play endgames xD)

vishnu_vijay_93
drobilka wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:
drobilka wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:

so first of all, the Nf3 move order in the london can be refuted by black so u should delay Nf3 until black plays e6.And to see moves like Bxg6, u gotta evaluate ur position first by checking how many pieces u have around his/her king and how many he/she has for defense. For example, after sacrificing a piece if u have like 4 pieces on the attack and ur opponent has only one piece to defend with, its a good investment generally. Then u gotta start calculating lines to check if u get good amount of material back or u have a possibility to mate the opponent. If the lines u calculated fulfill either of these conditions, u must go for it. This is what I do when I see an opportunity to sac and most often than not it works. And regarding your second point, no d4 is not that difficult to find IMO. there is this principle in chess which states that a flank attack must be met with a central breakthrough and I am sure ppl who know this will at least consider the move d4. In the third point u asked how to balance principled play and aggression. Well, u gain that skill only thru playing more games IMO. And the 4th point is actually connected with my first point-If u have enough pieces near ur king, there is no reason for prophylaxis cuz u can defend easily. In ur game, black was a bit passive and would have needed at least 5-6 moves to generate an attack. While Kb1 isn't wrong(it actually shows a good understanding of prophylaxis) it is definitely a bit early IMO. yep, thats all ig, hope I answered ur questions, good luck with your chess!

I play the Nf3 move order, since I play the Torre against the KID.

I don't know, sometimes I know I should sacrifice, I think it's good, but I'm too scared to play it. Then other times, I hand away free pieces for no reason. Your advice makes a lot of sense though, thanks!

Yeah, that's the problem - a lot of people would find it otb. The problem I have is that I allow way too much counterplay when I'm attacking

Thanks so much!

no issues, u might wanna consider placing one of ur pieces which did not participate in the attack on d4 as a blockade to prevent counterplay for at least 5 moves before ur opponent eventually breaks through

So from that perspective, playing something like Nb3-d5 then attacking is better?

WAIT THIS ACTUALLY MAKES SO MUCH SENSE AHHHH 

So basically, before I go for a flank attack, I should somehow secure/blockade the centre?

well yeah, if u want a clean game without complications u should definitely do this

Goldenlion77

cry.png im no help

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Goldenlion77 wrote:

 im no help

wdym, you are helping. ty happy.png

Goldenlion77

ok cool lol grin.png

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and then theres this

(dont ask, its 3 am, im down a min on the clock)

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