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Ziryab
Expertise87 wrote:

 Eating meat causes most of our major diseases.

The long-term health effects of eating grain have more dire consequences now that we have immunizations.

Expertise87
adamplenty wrote:
Expertise87 wrote:

Eating meat causes most of our major diseases.

It's not the meat itself, it's mostly the chemicals they add to it.

That too, but animal proteins are acidic and animal products activate various gene expression tools that are linked with various cancers, etc...also saturated fat and the weakening of blood vessels due to damage to endothelium from the acidity of animal protein causes issues as well.

adamplenty

There's no evidence that saturated fat weakens blood vessels or causes heart disease or cancer. The problems with meat are due to them being grain fed rather than grass fed and them it being loaded with chemicals. I don't think organic grass fed meat is bad for you.

Walter0508

guess that curry should be a veg one then,unless your a gorilla the you can garnish with termites

Irontiger
Expertise87 wrote:

Not really, almost all primates are herbivores, including humans (well technically we're frugivores). Eating meat causes most of our major diseases.

It also caused us to grow larger brains than other animals. So yes, in a way, it causes war and other things, but the benefits are great too.

I can understand vegetarianism on the basis of ecology (it takes less energy and water to get fed on vegetals than on animals), or empathy for the people that cannot afford meat (even if one could not wonder whether real empathy would be to eat it if you, you can), but justifying it on medical grounds is far from obvious.

Expertise87
Irontiger wrote:
Expertise87 wrote:

Not really, almost all primates are herbivores, including humans (well technically we're frugivores). Eating meat causes most of our major diseases.

It also caused us to grow larger brains than other animals. So yes, in a way, it causes war and other things, but the benefits are great too.

I can understand vegetarianism on the basis of ecology (it takes less energy and water to get fed on vegetals than on animals), or empathy for the people that cannot afford meat (even if one could not wonder whether real empathy would be to eat it if you, you can), but justifying it on medical grounds is far from obvious.

I don't understand why people think animal protein caused us to grow larger brains...it seems like they're all quoting the same bad science but I'm not completely sure.

Irontiger
Expertise87 wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
Expertise87 wrote:

Not really, almost all primates are herbivores, including humans (well technically we're frugivores). Eating meat causes most of our major diseases.

It also caused us to grow larger brains than other animals. So yes, in a way, it causes war and other things, but the benefits are great too.

I can understand vegetarianism on the basis of ecology (it takes less energy and water to get fed on vegetals than on animals), or empathy for the people that cannot afford meat (even if one could not wonder whether real empathy would be to eat it if you, you can), but justifying it on medical grounds is far from obvious.

I don't understand why people think animal protein caused us to grow larger brains...it seems like they're all quoting the same bad science but I'm not completely sure.

Is The Guardian serious enough for you ?

Then, this is what pops after 30s of internet search : http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/oct/22/cooking-supports-increased-human-brain-power

And after another 30s, you find this : http://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html

 

You can discuss the results of the underlying studies if you want, but that's real research, not popular belief.

Ziryab

Research concerned with sketetal remains in pre- and post-conquest America revealed that civilized farmers had the worst heath, while hunter - gatherers had the best. Animal protein must be a factor in the good health, while a diet based on corn must be the culprit in those with poor health,

See Richard H. Steckel, Jerome C. Rose, Clark Spencer Larsen, and Phillip L. Walker, “Skeletal Health in the Western Hemisphere From 4000 B.C. to the Present,” Evolutionary Anthropology 11 (2002), 142-155. 

Expertise87

Fine. Disregard the largest and most thoroughly conducted epidemiological study of all time and quote ideas from 4000 BC.

Ignore the hard evidence that proves beyond reasonable doubt that animal protein acidifies the blood causing decay of the endothelium, which was shown in numerous studies and has never been even remotely disproven.

Ignore the way the estrogen in meat and milk is strongly correlated with breast cancer.

And go on doing what you want to do. I don't really care. And what are these correct quantities? Certainly not the percentages people partake in these days. And nothing justifies the slaughter of billions of land animals and pillaging of the seas. And nobody maintains that cutting animal agriculture would have a seriously positive effect on climate and would enable us to easily feed every human alive.

Expertise87

And the cooking article does not mention animal products.

Irontiger
Expertise87 wrote:

Fine. Disregard the largest and most thoroughly conducted epidemiological study of all time and quote ideas from 4000 BC.

Source ? Reference ?

A 2012 study (again, http://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html) has done nothing but compiling idea from the cavesman, scientists are well-known for that kind of recycling.

 

Yes, eating meat causes disease. As well as eating vegetables. As well as eating anything. As well as doing anything except staying home in an anti-atomic bunker implies some risks. If you correlations frighten you, I can assure the longest epidemiological study of all time has found a 100% correlation between birth and death.

Saying that eating meat causes more or more important diseases that the vegan diet needs serious proof, which is not provided by claiming others that disagree don't have the common sense or conjuring "the largest and most thoroughly conducted epidemiological study of all time" that none has heard of.

ClavierCavalier

I'm not sure that it's a 100% correlation between birth and death.  Sure, there hasn't ever been any evidence to say something can't be immortal, but all of our scientific data on life ends with death, making it direct cause and effect.  Might as well be the Law of Biology.

delete92
Irontiger wrote:
Expertise87 wrote:

Not really, almost all primates are herbivores, including humans (well technically we're frugivores). Eating meat causes most of our major diseases.

It also caused us to grow larger brains than other animals. So yes, in a way, it causes war and other things, but the benefits are great too.

I can understand vegetarianism on the basis of ecology (it takes less energy and water to get fed on vegetals than on animals), or empathy for the people that cannot afford meat (even if one could not wonder whether real empathy would be to eat it if you, you can), but justifying it on medical grounds is far from obvious.


As a vegetarian my brain is too tiny to offer an opinion (clearly undeveloped)

Oh look pretty colours ...

astronomer999
ClavierCavalier wrote:

I'm not sure that it's a 100% correlation between birth and death.  Sure, there hasn't ever been any evidence to say something can't be immortal, but all of our scientific data on life ends with death, making it direct cause and effect.  Might as well be the Law of Biology.

It is wise to be sceptical. There are at least 3 examples of non dying mentioned in the wholely buyable. There was an old testament guy who rose into heaven in some kind of rocket sled, Lazarus, and the hero of the story (even if he only got a lower level of billing in the sequel(set in Arabia))

shutupandbark

Inexcusably stupid. I despise bigots.  About 5 times in the last year while I was playing on "igoogle" people made bigotted remarks about me being a white southerner. I would never dream of wasting my time trying to "report" someone though. But then again, I have a life. People need to ask themselves; "Am I trying to fight bigotry or am I looking for revenge wrapped in justice?" Advise: Move on. The need to silence people or punish them perpetuates racism and bigotry ten times worse than ignoring them does.

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shutupandbark wrote:

Inexcusably stupid. I despise bigots.  About 5 times in the last year while I was playing on "igoogle" people made bigotted remarks about me being a white southerner. I would never dream of wasting my time trying to "report" someone though. But then again, I have a life. People need to ask themselves; "Am I trying to fight bigotry or am I looking for revenge wrapped in justice?" Advise: Move on. The need to silence people or punish them perpetuates racism and bigotry ten times worse than ignoring them does.

Really? I'd like to hear your explanation for this. The way i see it, if nobody speaks out against it, it perpetuates and appears to be acceptable behaviour. It won't stop because they'll suddenly realize "Hey, i'm not having an affect on them." It isn't done merely to put down the other person, but also to feel superior and/or better while releasing some anger.

delete92

I agree ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away wont help

Addressing it too though can be tricky since I feel some of these do it to get attention and by reacting to it - even by getting them banned from one site - is feeding this desire

Maybe some people need to be educated better - the colour of a person's skin doesn't change the person - in fact it's something we're all powerless to change  - (we were born with our skin colour) - and why would we want to change it? A world when there is only one colour would be so much blander - quite often difference can be a good thing

As William Cowper once said "Variety is the spice of life, It gives it flavour."

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Moses2792796 wrote:
Expertise87 wrote:

Eating meat causes most of our major diseases.

Typical vegan propaganda, this is a complete lie.  Eating unprocessed meat in the correct quantities is completely natural to humans and it's health benefits vastly outweigh any negative effects.

You could do the same with a meatless diet. Getting the right amount of nutrients would be beneficial while having even less negative effects.

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Ziryab wrote:

Research concerned with sketetal remains in pre- and post-conquest America revealed that civilized farmers had the worst heath, while hunter - gatherers had the best. Animal protein must be a factor in the good health, while a diet based on corn must be the culprit in those with poor health,

See Richard H. Steckel, Jerome C. Rose, Clark Spencer Larsen, and Phillip L. Walker, “Skeletal Health in the Western Hemisphere From 4000 B.C. to the Present,” Evolutionary Anthropology 11 (2002), 142-155. 

Not quite. While i agree protein, and not specifically animal protein was necessary for health, i suspect it was a lack of understanding of nutritional needs that was the main reason.

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True, but one can have no direct reaction to it while not ignoring it too.

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