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It's not using two hands to hand off the captured piece to the 2nd hand. That's a common technique.
llama47 wrote:
It's not using two hands to hand off the capture piece to the 2nd hand. That's a common technique.
i mean yes i get that but like who does this during 5 secs each? its kinda awkward
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:
It's not using two hands to hand off the captured piece to the 2nd hand. That's a common technique.
he actually took the black pawn with his left hand and moved his piece with his right. It was an illegal move but I always though the onus was on the player to call that out and stop the clock. But I guess if the arbiter sees it he can intervene in that situation. Looks like it distracted Alireza more then helped him, then again maye he knew what he was doing. He is a pro after all lol.
What I found fascinating watching that though is how attentive he is to the clock. Everytime his opponent took at least 2 seconds he made sure to look at the clock to see if he is flagged. You can tell that guy is a pro blitz player.
its a dirty flag nothing pro at all and the win was pretty simple there
him looking at the clock just only shows how much he wanted him to flag as he is losing
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:
It's not using two hands to hand off the captured piece to the 2nd hand. That's a common technique.
he actually took the black pawn with his left hand and moved his piece with his right. It was an illegal move but I always though the onus was on the player to call that out and stop the clock. But I guess if the arbiter sees it he can intervene in that situation. Looks like it distracted Alireza more then helped him, then again maye he knew what he was doing. He is a pro after all lol.
What I found fascinating watching that though is how attentive he is to the clock. Everytime his opponent took at least 2 seconds he made sure to look at the clock to see if he is flagged. You can tell that guy is a pro blitz player.
its a dirty flag nothing pro at all and the win was pretty simple there
My friend, flagging someone is a skill. One of the differences between blitz and classical is knowing how to make moves to waste your opponents time.
flagging is not a skill as it doesnt even display your technique or anything, flagging is just winning by time and not really a true win at all if you arent even dominating positionally
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:
It's not using two hands to hand off the captured piece to the 2nd hand. That's a common technique.
he actually took the black pawn with his left hand and moved his piece with his right. It was an illegal move but I always though the onus was on the player to call that out and stop the clock. But I guess if the arbiter sees it he can intervene in that situation. Looks like it distracted Alireza more then helped him, then again maye he knew what he was doing. He is a pro after all lol.
What I found fascinating watching that though is how attentive he is to the clock. Everytime his opponent took at least 2 seconds he made sure to look at the clock to see if he is flagged. You can tell that guy is a pro blitz player.
its a dirty flag nothing pro at all and the win was pretty simple there
My friend, flagging someone is a skill. One of the differences between blitz and classical is knowing how to make moves to waste your opponents time. Exploiting the time pressure is part of the game. The way Hammer and especially Krush acted so offended by it had me apalled. It shows what a professional Alireza is. Only amateurs, fakes or the mentally weak start resigning matches for no reason.
hammer and kush are offended cause firo knew he was dead lost, he dirty flagged a GM
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:
It's not using two hands to hand off the captured piece to the 2nd hand. That's a common technique.
he actually took the black pawn with his left hand and moved his piece with his right. It was an illegal move but I always though the onus was on the player to call that out and stop the clock. But I guess if the arbiter sees it he can intervene in that situation. Looks like it distracted Alireza more then helped him, then again maye he knew what he was doing. He is a pro after all lol.
What I found fascinating watching that though is how attentive he is to the clock. Everytime his opponent took at least 2 seconds he made sure to look at the clock to see if he is flagged. You can tell that guy is a pro blitz player.
its a dirty flag nothing pro at all and the win was pretty simple there
My friend, flagging someone is a skill. One of the differences between blitz and classical is knowing how to make moves to waste your opponents time. Exploiting the time pressure is part of the game. The way Hammer and especially Krush acted so offended by it had me apalled. It shows what a professional Alireza is. Only amateurs, fakes or the mentally weak start resigning matches for no reason.
hammer and kush are offended cause firo knew he was dead lost, he dirty flagged a GM
And that makes him the better player.
so if i dirty flag you that makes me a better player? that makes me a better flagger...
i mean get a grip coolout you arent a GM so you have no right to tell him wether he should go back to classical and hammer along with kush have their own right to look disgusted as all alireza did was dirty flag. that doesnt make him the better player, that makes him the better flagger and more of a "wood pusher" than anything as he knew he was loosing and was going desperate for his opponents time to run out which luckily did, nothing else happened
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:
It's not using two hands to hand off the captured piece to the 2nd hand. That's a common technique.
he actually took the black pawn with his left hand and moved his piece with his right. It was an illegal move but I always though the onus was on the player to call that out and stop the clock. But I guess if the arbiter sees it he can intervene in that situation. Looks like it distracted Alireza more then helped him, then again maye he knew what he was doing. He is a pro after all lol.
What I found fascinating watching that though is how attentive he is to the clock. Everytime his opponent took at least 2 seconds he made sure to look at the clock to see if he is flagged. You can tell that guy is a pro blitz player.
its a dirty flag nothing pro at all and the win was pretty simple there
My friend, flagging someone is a skill. One of the differences between blitz and classical is knowing how to make moves to waste your opponents time. Exploiting the time pressure is part of the game. The way Hammer and especially Krush acted so offended by it had me apalled. It shows what a professional Alireza is. Only amateurs, fakes or the mentally weak start resigning matches for no reason.
hammer and kush are offended cause firo knew he was dead lost, he dirty flagged a GM
And that makes him the better player.
so if i dirty flag that you that makes me a better player? that makes me a better flagger...
Absolutely, you try to dirty flag a GM and see how it works out for you. Thats part of the game. Why even have clocks at all according to your flawed logic? I can't tell if you've been brainwashed by the old people in your club or you're simply a sore loser when you are flagged yourself.
This is why society doesn't respect chess communities. When we see things like Fabiano handing over games to Nepo resigning for no reason, or Kosteniuk's Russian teamates not even trying against her it comes off fake. You should never resign, ever, especially in blitz chess.
In fact I was disappointed to see Arjun accept a draw from Magnus. He should of told him to stick that hand where the sun don't shine we are playing on homeboy!! Get the champion so messed up in his head his tournament is over for him. I can understand now why Kasparov said you can't be champion if you don't have that killer instinct and play like too much of a nice guy. Because in chess it probably matters more then in any other sport.
Only the brainwashed and weakminded would resign or draw when pressured to. The Champion will break his opponents ego and relish the fact.
1. then coolout your nothing but a cheap bystander who enjoys throwing bricks and not chess cause my friend pushing wood 24/7 is just being a weird goose drunk on flagging.
2. thats your opinion and not everyone has that same feeling, like carlsen has stated in the WCC interview "we try" and well if you dont like it you can just leave and never come back. on a sidenote you said you would leave and yet you are still here so my point still stands that all you are is just some angry critic which barely anyone here agrees with most of the time.
3. thats your opinion cause you arent arjun, i like to see you grind against carlsen if you were him but oh no your just a filthy critic who goes around nosing on everyone who tries and just want to have a nice day. who wouldnt want to draw with magnus carlsen? especially considering he was at the 2900 barrier at one point so that makes the feeling way better.
4. there was never any discussion that you have to resign or draw when pressured to but they drawed cause arjun just wanted it and nothing else, firo wanted to push wood and make random moves for a dirty flag and he got it. of course many in the elite will be disgusted by it, many fans proud by it and some like myself will just say its blitz so whatever
CooloutAC wrote:
ANd I guess you really are from Japan, you're no real American cause over here we don't even play with increments and we trash talk over the board LOL And it doesn't matter if your 8 or 80.
i dont play with increments i only play with delay in OTB events, again your statement has no relevance at all to what i am talking about and it fascinates me how your mind works
the only thing i keep seeing is your random sport ranting which has no relevance but you are going to keep on rambling about it for hours, talk about how dirty flagging is skill, and that you being a incredible fan and "special critic" will somehow change the chess community
CooloutAC wrote:
1. Alireza is showing he is a professional blitz player and the other guy is showing he can't even manage the time properly.
2. I always will pick HIkaru over Carlsen for these very reasons. He doesn't care what his peers think about him and he is there to play chess, not to play politics especially over the board like a fraud.
3. Arjun looked nervous as hell. Its understandable, I only stated my wish and hope.
4. I totally lost respect for Fabiano for how he gave up his chances for Nepo, probably because he thought he was more deserving of it. I could never trust that guy in a tournament now. In Fact Gm FIneGold inadvertently bought up a fact when people were calling Magnus a sore loser for complaining about how they did the playoffs. That Magnus has always complained about that even when it benefited him. And in one Sinquine Cup there was a 3 way tie and Magnus was insisting all 3 play, and guess who didn't agree. Fabiano. It was Magnus, Aronian and Fabi. Fabi was the one who didn't agree to the 3 way playoff. figures.
The more and more I follow chess I see why Fischer always said the things he said. You don't even realize that you are asking Alireza to literally corrupt himself so you can feel better about your own fake games. Shame on you. That kid is a professional through and through and he demonstrated it in this video. That is his career and tournament on the line and he is there to win and would have less respect for him if he didn't try to do that when given the chance.
1. the other guy? both had literally 5 secs till the arbiter barged in....
2. no player cares about what people says and how does hikaru even get included in this discussion when it has nothing to do with the video nor the title of this topic. maybe you hallucinated that hikaru appeared in the video but he has nothing to do in this conversation as he is not alireza nor is he the opponent unless he is somehow the cameraman.
3. well of course he would be nervous, thats magnus carlsen and he is proud with the draw
4. again another weird statement with completely no relevance to the video shown in the top comment of this thread which completely has nothing to do with fabiano or magnus. they have every right to be mad at the playoff rules as it was very weird compared to 2019 but you can make the counter argument that they should have read the rules which i would agree on
5. i am not shaming alireza in any way at all and this thread is not even about him at all except mainly the arbiter who just came due to the small mistake with his opponent. this thread has nothing with me shaming alireza, with alireza being worse, or me even being a better player than alireza cause thats baloney. the only thing this thread is intended for was just to show how weird and funny the arbiter simply came during the scramble which is awkward
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
the only thing i keep seeing is your random sport ranting which has no relevance but you are going to keep on rambling about it for hours, talk about how dirty flagging is skill, and that you being a incredible fan and "special critic" will somehow change the chess community
It absolutely is a skill and part of the game. Why are you even watching or playing blitz if you dont' like having a clock as a factor? Are you kidding me? Thats as fake as it gets. But then again look at who you are.
Again as Levon Aronian says, what makes blitz different from classical is that "you don't always pick the best or "correct" move, you also pick one that poses the hardest questions to your opponent"
In this tournament so far I lost respect for Krush, I lost respect for Fabi, I lost respect for Peter Leko and I lost respect for Kosteniuk's Russian teamate I forget her name. I also lost respect for the greek guy that drew against Hikaru in the rapid event. And of course a big middle finger to FIDE as always. Its a shame that Hikaru and Magnus don't get along because they should start their own league.
1. you are talking lots of baloney at this point as this is just more off topic statements which have no relevance, what does a dirty flag have to do with me liking blitz? my statement was that dirty flagging is not skill, its just being desperate to win on time in a losing position. this thread is never about ME, its not about me liking blitz but the arbiter himself. why cant you understand that? is there something wrong in which you cant comprehend dirty flags?
2. what does that statement have to do with anything? are you trying to imply that the opponents moves werent good when he literally was winning in the final position?
2. your losing respect just cause they wish to try and decide when to end, thats not their fault and you shouldnt be the one judging wether their draws were rubbish or the victories were bad as usual. magnus and hikaru starting their league also makes no relevance and again is completely pushing this more off topic as the only thing i am seeing is you judging the players and hating FIDE. why do you keep making statements that arent relevant?
CooloutAC wrote:
1. Again, Alireza had it timed in his head. watch the video, Everytime his opponent hesitated slightly with a move. Alireza looks at the clock to make sure he didn't flag. That right there tells me how the young kid is more experienced in blitz then his older opponent.
2. They absolutely do. Look at you calling him a dirty flagger. Why do you think that fake branwashed phrase even exists. I just told you how Fabiano literally gave up his spot to Nepo, probably cause he felt bad for him losing the WCC. Even Hammer was completely apalled at that while Krush who I lost alot of respect for, seemed to think nothing was wrong of it.
3. Absolutely. But like Kasparov says, These Indian players will need to ahve that Killer Insticnt if they are going to ever be world champ. For example even nice and polite fishy once snapped at a reporter for asking Magnus a question after he lost the wcc to him. He literally dominated the press conference and then walked off. Because he still didn't shake it off and transition out of the match. Its why all the criticism about Nepo from even Judy Polgar about taking his too well and acting too calm as a sign something was very wrong.
4. Because it all boils down to the same things. What you think is proper etiquetter is purely political and has no place in a professional competition. Its totally fraudulent and manipulative. Everytime you even repeat the word firty flagging you disprecting the sport and letting yourself be manipulated.
5. You absolutely are. And I find it disgusting.
1. that doesnt mean anything except that alireza is getting desperate for the flag
2. it exists cause a dirty flag is really what it means, flagging someone in a lost position which you have no buisness of winning at all. alireza is a dirty flagger in this game, i am not calling him as a whole a person who dirty flags but a person who relied on flagging his opponent in a losing position in this "ONLY GAME" nothing else. the fabiano and nepo game is just something friendly let them be you have no right to judge them at all for their result.
3. again that statement has no relevance and is way off from the whole point of this thread, first we went to analyzing the position which alireza won by luck and then we went to talking about ian and fabi along with kasparov and aronian? now we are talking about press conferences and how ian taking it calmly was a bad sign? what does this have to do with the arbiter in this video? is that arbiter magically in all those non relevant statements?
4. i am not being manipulated but stating something that is a common term and accepted by everyone in the modern age of chess, its that simple and nothings changing badly
5. no i am not but stating how the game was won, thats all
CooloutAC wrote:
1. Flagging is part of the game and there is nothing dirty about it. Just the fact you even ask this question comes off extremely fake.
2. Again, the best lines don't always mean the best move when sometimes just a move tha poses the hardest question to the opponent to burn his time is the better choice. Which is why running down someones time is a valid strategy and technique. Thats why only weakminded people resign in blitz. The only time I think resigning is a valid strategy is in online tournaments when you can play more games and get more chances because of it. Or if you are super GM like these guys and see no way to flag.
3. I'm losing respect for anyone who doesn't try to win the game when given the chance. Thats fake and fraudulent and its why guys like Fischer would always say chess is political and rigged. The more I watch chess the more he seems to be proven right.
And LIke I said I take back what I said about Kasparov. He is absolutely right. If you are the type of player that resigns and draws because you think it is the right thing to do, you will never world Champion.
the dirty part about it is winning on time when you are losing terrible on position, thats why its called a dirty flag cause its a unfortunate loss and a win you have no business of winning at all and you can disagree all you want but that wont change the fact it exists.
2. so you are not only insulting carlsen but literally every person in the world who resigns in blitz calling those type of people "weakminded" sir i think you have a problem. also you are saying literally the exact same thing when again i am pretty sure he could see it considering he is a GM and that alireza given the time odds didnt help him but rather aided the rival.
3. they are all trying and are elite so show some respect as your not helping anyone
4. so if magnus carlsen never resigned in a couple of moves where he knew he be losing, he would never become world champion? if kasparov never did the exact same thing he would have never been world champion? do you realize what you are even saying, all elite players have broken that logic even the man who said it himself and proceeded to become a world champion so if anything i think that statement only displays kasparovs attitude at the time
CooloutAC wrote:
1. Which is the sign of a professional blitz player. He is not desperate for the flag, he is playing for the flag. And he got it. Kudos to him Job well done. His opponent needs to go back to classical lol.
2. No business of winning at all? You have no business being part of any professional competition as far as I'm concerned. Neither does Fabiano. I'm no longer a fan of that guy. Being friendly? This isn't a friendly match my friend! The guy doesn't even have respect for his own fans!!! He was literally tied with Nepo, why the hell would he just hand a game over to him, did he think that was some noble gesture? Actually he was beating Nepo and had a chance for the playoffs himself!! I found it deplorable and fake. Again I'm not even surprised he was the guy who turned down the 3 way playoffs in the sisquine match that Finegold bought up with Magnus and Aronian. I just hope the guy doesn't corrupt Levon Aronian now that they are neighbors cause that dude is a very noble player. Glad to have him in the USA now.
3. Its completely relevant. Because players who are not even trying to win don't deserve to even be there. Thats why people were so apalled at Nepo for acting like nothing was wrong in the WCC. They are corrupted imo. Its not different then you thinking Alireza should have resigned the match rather then flagging his opponent. That would be pure corruption if he listened to you. Because that shows you don't even consider the game you have been playing for 9 years a sport. You don't even care about the matches being competitive and sporting. You're a fake in a community full of fakes and with people like you this game will never be popular.
1. he was always looking at the clock and looked worried as knew he was losing and relied mostly on the flag nothing else and thats the sole reason hammer is disappointed. you have no right to tell him he should go back to classical so again show some respect elitist.
2. again thats your opinion and you arent helping anyone, so what if fabiano lost? everyone loses and again your statements have no relevance to alireza nor the arbiter and his opponent. he aint corrupting everyone and as far as i am concerned both him and carlsen didnt know about the playoff rules but tried their best to win, just respect that already.
3. again your a buffoon who keeps hallucinating fake statements as i have never said alireza should resign or draw and that applies to every player in the event. like i have stated previously numerous times just leave them alone and let them play it out until they decide its finally over, its that simple and not rocket science coolout how hard is that to understand? they deserved to be there and you have no right to call anyone who likes chess here fake
also the thing with nepo, he was acting calm but he knew he was losing and tried to give his best effort, of course he didnt succeed but he was trying to stay positive so give him slack
CooloutAC wrote:
1. the term was coined by a bunch of sore losers. And all you are doing is exposing yourself at one of them! Again, by that flawed logic we shouldn't have any time controls at all. Meanwhile the whole point and difference is the time controls themselves. And there is absolutely no excuse for flagging when there is an increment. What that shows is that ALireza was the better player in confusing his opponent no matter what position was on the board!!
2. I don't think Carlsen would resign a match if he had a chance to flag. You probably tell yourself that in your mind, and if he does, Then yes he is another fake in a fake sport that will never be respected by society.
3. Ironic you are telling me that while you call Alireza a dirty flagger and insist he should of taken a loss instead of winning based on time control which is the whole reason for this event. Otherwise like his opponent, you should take your sore loser crybaby attitude back to classical.
4. Absolutely. He would be a weakminded coward who would never become world champion if thats something he thinks he is supposed to do. Fabiano not only looked like the loser Nepo looked like in the WCC for doing what he did, he also looked like a complete fraud! And he made the whole event look fraudulent. I'm glad Nepo lost!
alireza never confused his opponent and you keep hallucinating these statements as i never said time shouldnt be apart of the game. it wasnt coined by sore losers but pretty much everyone in the modern age as its a flag in a position where your opponent is completely losing and shouldnt deserve to win. thats not calling alireza a bad player but ultimately just saying he was lucky his opponent didnt move quick as he had the win right there.
2. if he had the chance to flag he would but again that wouldnt change the fact that it would be nothing but a dirty flag if his position is pretty much being a wood pusher in a losing position nothing else but hoping desperately his opponent loses on time.
3. again i am insisting his opponent should have found the winning move, i have never stated that alireza should resign but rather that he was being desperate for his opponent to lose on time. its not being sore but stating the obvious which literally me, hammer, krush, and many people could agree on as alireza didnt deserve the win at the resulting position.
4. you are making more off topic statements and seeming like a troll exposed to everyone in the community as no one is a fraud, just let them be and learn to shut up for once instead of raging at everyone calling them fakes. by kasparovs attitude logic or your "logic" then pretty much everyone in the world is weakminded despite the person again who said that statement being the world champion which ruins the whole point and makes it weird
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
1. Which is the sign of a professional blitz player. He is not desperate for the flag, he is playing for the flag. And he got it. Kudos to him Job well done. His opponent needs to go back to classical lol.
2. No business of winning at all? You have no business being part of any professional competition as far as I'm concerned. Neither does Fabiano. I'm no longer a fan of that guy. Being friendly? This isn't a friendly match my friend! The guy doesn't even have respect for his own fans!!! He was literally tied with Nepo, why the hell would he just hand a game over to him, did he think that was some noble gesture? Actually he was beating Nepo and had a chance for the playoffs himself!! I found it deplorable and fake. Again I'm not even surprised he was the guy who turned down the 3 way playoffs in the sisquine match that Finegold bought up with Magnus and Aronian. I just hope the guy doesn't corrupt Levon Aronian now that they are neighbors cause that dude is a very noble player. Glad to have him in the USA now.
3. Its completely relevant. Because players who are not even trying to win don't deserve to even be there. Thats why people were so apalled at Nepo for acting like nothing was wrong in the WCC. They are corrupted imo. Its not different then you thinking Alireza should have resigned the match rather then flagging his opponent. That would be pure corruption if he listened to you. Because that shows you don't even consider the game you have been playing for 9 years a sport. You don't even care about the matches being competitive and sporting. You're a fake in a community full of fakes and with people like you this game will never be popular.
1. he was always looking at the clock and looked worried as knew he was losing and relied mostly on the flag nothing else and thats the sole reason hammer is disappointed. you have no right to tell him he should go back to classical so again show some respect elitist.
2. again thats your opinion and you arent helping anyone, so what if fabiano lost? everyone loses and again your statements have no relevance to alireza nor the arbiter and his opponent. he aint corrupting everyone and as far as i am concerned both him and carlsen didnt know about the playoff rules but tried their best to win, just respect that already.
3. again your a buffoon who keeps hallucinating fake statements as i have never said alireza should resign or draw and that applies to every player in the event. like i have stated previously numerous times just leave them alone and let them play it out until they decide its finally over, its that simple and not rocket science coolout how hard is that to understand? they deserved to be there and you have no right to call anyone who likes chess here fake
also the thing with nepo, he was acting calm but he knew he was losing and tried to give his best effort, of course he didnt succeed but he was trying to stay positive so give him slack
1. He only looked at the clock when his opponent took 2 seconds to move. The kid is a pro. He wanted the flag and he has that killer instinct to be world champ some day. People with you and Fabi's attitude, never will be.
2. He lost on purpose, didn't even try to win as Hammer himself said in shock. He insulted his very own fans. Shame on him.
3. The only buffoon here is the guy following a blitz event who thinks players should not flag one another. Even the guy Alireza flagged would be laughing at you right now.
The thing with Nepo came off fraudulent. It was no different then watching Fabiano, who would of went to the playoffs if himself, but instead chose to literally hand over his match to Nepo instead of trying to win the whole dam thing which he had a good shot at. He insulted his very own fans and smiled about it and was happy to do it. That comes off fraudulent and feels political. Its the type of thing Fischer always pointed out.
In fact if Nepo won this would of the been the last world rapid and blitz I ever watched! I'm not even going into how the chose the playoffs which Magnus had right to question.
1. what attitude? this has nothing to do with me nor anyone else but alireza, the arbiter and his opponent with the weird moment that happened during the time scramble. he was literally looking worried and kind of upset as he was disgusted with himself and pretty much realized he was losing. he was super relieved he managed to get the flag, thats what happened.
2. shame on you for acting like some big shot who won the loterry when you arent even as good as fabiano and all that you have done is just being negative criticism and not helping chess in any way so learn to sit back and enjoy the show instead of crying about everything
3. how would he be laughing when he knew he was losing? he literally looked down and more relieved when he won with that flag cause of luck. flagging is apart of the game and i have no problem with it neither with dirty flagging but what i will have problems with is you calling dirty flagging a skill when all it does is pretty much show you being a woodpusher
4. just let it be then if you hate it, you arent changing nor helping the game with that attitude
this moment is kinda just rubbish tbh and even firo was laughing at the arbiter