Relationship between Chess rating and I.Q?

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MrIC3Black

RACE CODE CHESS #RaceCodeChess is attracting the high IQ people. We saw this last Sunday at the first event.

 

Stil1
BlitzIsntChess wrote:

Why would you think that blitz chess online would be the indicator of OTB ability? Obviously, the longer the game, the more representative it is of someone's true ability. Blitz chess is trash for training and competing. There are plenty of players on here with good ratings in 3/0 and 5/0 zergfests who are absolutely horrible when some time and an increment or delay are added to the clock. Blitz isn't even chess.

It depends what you mean by "good rating" in blitz.

I think 2500+ qualifies as a "good" blitz rating. And the majority of 2500+ online blitz players are also experts, or titled masters, in OTB classical chess.

So there's certainly some correlation.

mpaetz
Stil1 wrote:

It depends what you mean by "good rating" in blitz.

I think 2500+ qualifies as a "good" blitz rating. And the majority of 2500+ online blitz players are also experts, or titled masters, in OTB classical chess.

So there's certainly some correlation.

    Yes, strong players--experts, masters, IMs & GMs--are at the top of the ratings in all the types of chess they play. They have spent a lot of time learning the game and improving their skills. The point is that they have a thorough understanding of chess and their high blitz rating is the result of skills learned outside of blitz and bullet.

chunnguo
Ziryab wrote:
The correlation is simple. If you are smart, you might do average or better at chess. If you are stupid, the odds are against you. The data do not support more precise generalisations.

 

ChampoftheBepoCamp

My rating is above average... so is my IQ

SmyslovFan

John Nunn is an amazing person to study, not just for chess players but for anyone interested in highly intelligent people. This is what Magnus Carlsen said in2010:

"I am convinced that the reason the Englishman John Nunn never became world champion is that he is too clever for that. At the age of 15, Nunn started studying mathematics in Oxford; he was the youngest student in the last 500 years, and at 23 he did a PhD in algebraic topology. He has so incredibly much in his head. Simply too much. His enormous powers of understanding and his constant thirst for knowledge distracted him from chess."
(Magnus Carlsen, on an interview with Maik Grossekathöfer for DER SPIEGEL. 2010)
Zardorian
I am sure if enough studies were conducted, a fairly rough estimate could be drawn up of a correlation between every level of chess and corresponding IQ numbers. But those would have to be some crazy studies. For example, you’d have to provide for time spent every day intentionally playing (not just addiction playing), time spent studying, and the various methods studied, physiological factors, like how healthy the subjects are, how much sleep they get, etc. All would have to be fairly equal to get a truly correct measurement. One good way to look at it is through extremes; I sincerely doubt, for example, that someone with an IQ below 100 could achieve a 2000 rating legitimately.
markus27183

Also it depends on the game time limit for your rating.  If you are good at blitz, you are usually good at surprising and confusing your opponent, whereas if you are good at 10 min games, you are most likely to also do well in IQ.  If you are only good at 1h+ in chess, you can concentrate better and bore the other person into submission.  Just my opinion/idea, not backed up by science or anything tongue.png

Toad1258

according to post 579 my iq is 160

Toad1258

post 579 is probably wrong

markus27183

I said "only".  There is more likelihood you win then by boring the other person rather than being good tongue.png.  As a twelve yr old, I once resigned a chess match in tourney when I realized my opponent was going to max out the game duration and I was already bored out of my mind waiting for the next move grin.png

Meiamei
Chess is in 90 percent memorizing ability, that was the reason for Bobby Fischer to invent a new chess variant. And the memorizing ability doesn’t stand necessarily in corelstion to IQ. So no
Colonialpig

Hikaru Nakamura - 2774 (or something like that)

Also Hikaru: GM Hikaru Nakamura famously took the Mensa online IQ test and scored a very average 102.

as provided by Google. Seriously. Just search it up. "What is HIkarus IQ" is what I searched.

Intelligence matters, but not enough, apparently. Yes, Magnus has a 190, yes others in the chess scene are very smart. But you don't need to have a high IQ to be a good competitor. 

xor_eax_eax05

Magnus doesnt have a 190. That's "alleged", he never published any IQ test results.

 

Kasparov sat for a real IQ test which took him a few days to finish, and he was graded at around 135 or so.

Steven-ODonoghue
Colonialpig wrote:

 

Yes, Magnus has a 190, 

No, Magnus doesn't have a 190.

You should stop believing that clickbait garbage. Next you'll be saying that Trump is really 6 foot 3.

Ziryab
xor_eax_eax05 wrote:

Magnus doesnt have a 190. That's "alleged", he never published any IQ test results.

 

Kasparov sat for a real IQ test which took him a few days to finish, and he was graded at around 135 or so.

 

At 135, he is still substantially brighter than almost every poster here.

llama51
Stil1 wrote:
BlitzIsntChess wrote:

Why would you think that blitz chess online would be the indicator of OTB ability? Obviously, the longer the game, the more representative it is of someone's true ability. Blitz chess is trash for training and competing. There are plenty of players on here with good ratings in 3/0 and 5/0 zergfests who are absolutely horrible when some time and an increment or delay are added to the clock. Blitz isn't even chess.

It depends what you mean by "good rating" in blitz.

I think 2500+ qualifies as a "good" blitz rating. And the majority of 2500+ online blitz players are also experts, or titled masters, in OTB classical chess.

So there's certainly some correlation.

"Majority" is putting it lightly.

If a player is active in both types of chess, and is 2500+ blitz here, then it's extremely unlikely they're below 2000 OTB.

But anyway, these types of discussions... no one knows what "correlation" means.

Yes there's a correlation between IQ and chess. Yes there's a correlation between blitz and OTB.

No, of course there's not a conversion formula.

llama51
MrWizard wrote:

Relationship between Chess rating and I.Q?

It's 1 to 1.

To be a master you need an IQ of 2200.

Ziryab
Optimissed wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
xor_eax_eax05 wrote:

Magnus doesnt have a 190. That's "alleged", he never published any IQ test results.

 

Kasparov sat for a real IQ test which took him a few days to finish, and he was graded at around 135 or so.

 

At 135, he is still substantially brighter than almost every poster here.

By here, is that on Chess.com? I mean, it could mean on this thread or in your kitchen. It's rather funny to be on this site, where so many people are somewhat obsessed with IQ and so on, and to genuinely have an extremely high one. But there are others. Possibly more than we think, who knows?

I haven't seen you around for a bit and was slightly concerned, what with all this illness everywhere.

 

By “here” I mean this thread.

Ziryab

Thanks.

I’m spending a lot less time on forums unless they are clearly chess. Busy life. Better focus. When this wind dies down, I hope to do some precision paper punching, which I haven’t done since prior to last fall’s hunting season. Also turkey season opens in less than two weeks. I need to get to the woods.