Relationship between Chess rating and I.Q?

The intelligence tested on those Google sites is that of the readers--are they gullible enough to believe that lame bs.

Comments in threads like this one demonstrate that many are.

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Where is the data showing that there are any people with 100 IQ's that have 2000 chess ratings?

The same place you will find the data that all world-champion caliber chess players have amazingly high IQs--nowhere. Most people don't take IQ tests, most that do don't talk about it, and there is no database anywhere of all chess players' IQs.

Garry Kasparov took an IQ test. The results put him about 130.

This 180 nonsense has been circulating for decades. It is a crude estimate rooted in assumptions that are largely refuted.

To be fair, IQ tests are in themselves assumptions.

And we should ban the 100M sprints at the Olympics for measuring running speed. Clearly it is not doing a good job.
IQ tests measure working memory and pattern recognition (intelligence).

I believe most people don’t truly understand what IQ is. Just because someone is smart doesn’t mean they have a high IQ. And just because someone has a really good memory doesn’t mean they have a high IQ. You need a combination of a lot of different things to have a high IQ. Creativity, problem solving, memory, visualization, the ability to understand complex topics and how fast you can understand them and a lot more things.

Some things from having a high IQ will help you in chess like being able to learn things super quickly. However anyone can improve at chess by learning openings, improving at calculating, and mastering the endgame. The more time you dedicate the better you will be.

In conclusion having a high IQ will loosely help you in chess but putting in more time and effort will lead to a higher rating.

Setting aside IQ, which is its own complicated and charged metric that just complicates the conversation, I think the idea that if a person is really good at chess then they are really smart is extremely flawed. It's a learned skill. Being good at chess means that you're good at chess, whether you have a natural affinity for it or you've just studied it and practiced it a lot.

But this also brings up the topic of what we even mean when we say "intelligence". I work with a lot of people who are extremely "intelligent" in what is perhaps the most commonly used sense of the word, which basically means that they are really good (and naturally good) at math. This is definitely one definition of "intelligence", but oftentimes such people don't even have good "reasoning" abilities. They're like human computers—they can calculate very well—but when it comes to more abstract concepts e.g. metaphysics, social interactions, self-awareness, abstract thinking, and just understanding and coping with reality in general, they can often fall far short. Sometimes I feel like there might even be an inverse correlation between these different types of intelligence. Idk, personally I'm really bad at math relative to a lot of other people, it has never come naturally to me, but I feel like I am fairly intelligent in other ways, and it often surprises me how people that I know are much more "intelligent" than me in the common definition of the word have difficulty with a lot of other types of thinking.

Can I play someone

You must reckon that a person with blood type AB can trick the truth in chess results till now evenhow with a low IQ. Poor people class like Vishy also cant pass 50 to 100 IQ or 3 moves ahead calculations due to damaged ADN codes of logic but they use principles and play good positional chess!!

Does a person need to be highly intelligent to be an expert musician?

I think not... but a highly intelligent person very likely has an advantage at learning music.

MrWizard wrote:




Does anyone have information about any direct correlation between OTB rating and general intelligence? I vaguely recall British G.M Jonathan Levitt putting forward the notion that an I.Q of 120 indicates a person could, with sufficient work achieve a rating roughly = 2000 + [I.Q - 100] x 10

Therefore, we can conclude that even a relatively weak G.M would have an I.Q above 140 while super GM's like Kasparov would be > 180.

Those of us who have not yet reached 2000 should not despair. Levitt would tell us either to work at chess more often or change our method.

Given the studies such as that cited at www.auschess.org.au/articles/chessmind.htm I am of the opinion that I.Q is not a genetic parameter like eye colour that is handed out at birth, but rather can be altered through one's environment. I think there are three groups of people...average of which I am unfortunately a member, the gifted and the handicapped.

Any ideas or information on the subject is appreciated









Kasporav is not smarter than Einstein

Lol. Yeah, what do you mean by "smart."

More speculative nonsense. If this were true, Frank Brady could source it. He failed.

It was in the New York Times. So it’s a reported fact.

The New York Times sourced the claim. They said that it was Frank Brady’s assertion. It is a fact that Brady makes the claim in his two biographies of Fischer. It is not a fact that Brady is correct.

In one of Brady’s books, he offers the claim that a counselor at his school saw some standardized test scores upon which this estimate is based. The school employee is not named, nor is the standardized test. AFAIK, no standardized test given in schools in the 1950s included IQ scores in the results. Nor could such a test yield an IQ score that high.

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