you are right but what are you gonna do about it also why not checkmate your opponent quickly ?
resigning!
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No question about it being unsportsmanlike, but unfortunately you have to live with such behavior. Just don't play against these guys anymore.
It could be their mind games, may be they are setting trap which you may overlook due to overconfidence as you are in a completely winning position. Or may be they did not just realized that they are completely lost. Some times people could also become too much hopeful to think that may be you'd make some mistake and game can end in a stalemate.
I agree that it's generally unsportsmanlike - though in blitz it is not so horrible, since the game is prolonged a mere half a minute or so, while in CC it can last for a few more weeks... In blitz I hate it more when people play for a win on time in unrated games in let's say opposite color bishops ending by just moving the bishop around with premoves and then waiting for the opponent to flag (even when there is let's say 30 seconds remaining) and then it just drags on for no reason...
As for playing the obviously worse positions, there are two scenarios:
a) there is some definite counterplay, so there is still a chance for you to make a mistake and then lose the game
b) there is nearly no counterplay and there is nothing to be achieved by prolonging the game
If a), then it's ok, many lost games have been won in chess... If b) - then it's just bad behavior, even though some lower-rated players (usually, the very beginners) have claimed in the past that playing such bad positions helps them learn chess by looking at how you convert your advantage... In other words, they are learning from observing your technique... It is still irritating to play such games, though, but it is their right to take the learning opportunity if they wish to do so.
Another potential reason why people don't resign in CC is to avoid losing rating points... Let's say someone has a rating 1805 and resigning would make him go below 1800... and in two weeks there is a tournament which he wants to join which has a >1800 condition. This is, again, unsportsmanlike, but it's clear why some people choose to do so.
Dec 27, 2011
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the_cheradenine wrote:
I agree that it's generally unsportsmanlike - though in blitz it is not so horrible, since the game is prolonged a mere half a minute or so, while in CC it can last for a few more weeks... In blitz I hate it more when people play for a win on time in unrated games in let's say opposite color bishops ending by just moving the bishop around with premoves and then waiting for the opponent to flag (even when there is let's say 30 seconds remaining) and then it just drags on for no reason...
As for playing the obviously worse positions, there are two scenarios:
a) there is some definite counterplay, so there is still a chance for you to make a mistake and then lose the game
b) there is nearly no counterplay and there is nothing to be achieved by prolonging the game
If a), then it's ok, many lost games have been won in chess... If b) - then it's just bad behavior, even though some lower-rated players (usually, the very beginners) have claimed in the past that playing such bad positions helps them learn chess by looking at how you convert your advantage... In other words, they are learning from observing your technique... It is still irritating to play such games, though, but it is their right to take the learning opportunity if they wish to do so.
Another potential reason why people don't resign in CC is to avoid losing rating points... Let's say someone has a rating 1805 and resigning would make him go below 1800... and in two weeks there is a tournament which he want to join which has a >1800 condition. This is, again, unsportsmanlike, but it's clear why some people choose to do so.
I agree with this statement.
STALEMATE!
I'm not saying someone who is, for example, down a knight to a rook in an endgame should resign; but if you end up down a rook and a bishop and all you have is pawns, then its not fair to drag the game out for another month when you are going to lose (in cc). In blitz playing for time in drawn positions is pretty annoying, but if you just hit the draw button after making a few repeated moves then it should just draw automatically. Playing for time in blitz in lost positions is a bit diffren though, because if your opponent is trying to pass a pawn and you win on time, its not as bad as if you win on time because you managed to win on time in a king v queen endgame. You should just be fair and quit, thats what i do, or at least offer a draw.
Dec 27, 2011
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Though I generally think that one should not complain as long as people abide by the rules, I agree that in an correspondence game it is unsportsmanlike to drag out a clear loss two pieces down with no counterplay for weeks. I wonder whether the best thing to do in such a situation would be to resign yourself (in the winning position) and then not play the guy ever again. However, as it is also against the rules to lose a game intentionally, I'm not quite sure whether this would be considered an ok exception ...
Dec 27, 2011
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#10
Surely this depends entirely upon position? The other day I won a game two rooks and a knight down, rare, agreed, but don't you find it equally irritating when people resign unecessarily?
Dec 27, 2011
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#11
this is the *268th* time this issue is being discussed at the forums.
P.S. Yes.. It is super annoying.. But what i do is torture them...by delaying check mate myself. And toying with his king!!
ashwath wrote:
this is the *268th* time this issue is being discussed at the forums. P.S. Yes.. It is super annoying.. But what i do is torture them...by delaying check mate myself. And toying with his king!!
Cruel, yet probably effective ;)
Though I wonder... in a sense, if we're compelled to choose unsportsmanline behavior in response, then - they win (not the game, but in principle) - I think we should all try being as fair as possible and make a positive example (and accept that there will always be people like this who do not resign early).
Well, weather or not it is unsportsmanlike depends on certain other factors. The faster the time controls the less unsportsmanlike it is to not resign from a bad position.
As a general rule of thumb for my own resignations I tend to resign at the point where I would feel comfortable vs Kasparov if we switched sides. (Like a lone king vs a king and rook, or a rook and 2 connected pawns vs a rook, or being up at least 5 points in material with little or no compensation, or being 100% on the defensive and my opponent has good cooperation between his forces)
I am new here at chess.com. I won a game today against an opponent who had no chance. When he had realized his defeat, he let the timer run out appr. 25 minutes. Can I report him somewhere? Can I block him so I wont meet him again?
You can certainly block him, but I've noticed that the system also automatically detects these things, so if it happens several times, it introduces penalties against the user in question.
Dec 27, 2011
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@gol4man you can not report that.. Coz who knows there might have been an earth quake and he/opponent ran for his life while he forgot to resign your game!! ;)
gol4man wrote:
I am new here at chess.com. I won a game today against an opponent who had no chance. When he had realized his defeat, he let the timer run out appr. 25 minutes. Can I report him somewhere? Can I block him so I wont meet him again?
The site takes care of this automatically. http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/171/0/fair-play-policy
Dec 27, 2011
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#18
Look at my recent blitz games, and you should come to the conclusion that nobody should ever resign a game against me, even when a queen down ...
If you're talking about turn-based, I'm with you.
I don't want to sound like a dick, but if a person is down 3 pieces or in a queen+king v. king endgame, or in a inevitable endgame position, where prolonging the game, which I'm not denying is his/her right, is gratitous and slightly unsportsmanlike? Wouldn't it be better, and better mannered, to admit defeat in a certaintly lost position and stop wasting everyones time? It's totally ok if they do, except for the fact that it's increadiably stupid and annoying.