RoadMap for achieving 2000 Elo rating in 1 year

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Elubas wrote:

No, you're trying to discredit people like me, and you're even discrediting yourself, by saying that anyone under 2200 USCF can't offer advice.

No i am not. I am trying to prevent you paasing-on faulty ideas to new-arrivals on the scene. You yourself are as good as you are & nobody can take that away from you.

My reference to NM is because that is my understanding of ''chess-expert'' in the US ?

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nameno1had wrote:
Elubas wrote:

No, you're trying to discredit people like me, and you're even discrediting yourself, by saying that anyone under 2200 USCF can't offer advice.

I completely agree...imagine if an old man who never joined a chess sanctioning body, who was maybe a GM level player, who was new here with a Chess.com rating of 1450, was shunned for giving sound advice...

Fine then nemo. Off you go & study endgames & best-wishes with your chess.

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Look at the size of the US & only poorly represented in the FIDE top 100. Even worse in women's section !

Maybe I'm talking crap & maybe I'm not but if you are all too blinkered to listen then will spend no more time on the matter..

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netzach wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
Elubas wrote:

No, you're trying to discredit people like me, and you're even discrediting yourself, by saying that anyone under 2200 USCF can't offer advice.

I completely agree...imagine if an old man who never joined a chess sanctioning body, who was maybe a GM level player, who was new here with a Chess.com rating of 1450, was shunned for giving sound advice...

Fine then nemo. Off you go & study endgames & best-wishes with your chess.

I don't study end games unless they are part of a puzzle or a game I am in. I get plenty of practice there. I tend to focus more on tactics and strategy. I like chess 960 as a study tool. Though the patterns aren't what you would typically want to memorize for standard chess, the exercises of tactics and strategy are awesome. I think if you can play well from any position, it won't matter what phase of the game you are at...you'll always have a great chance to play well and win. Hence, you are less dependent on opening and defense study from a theory standpoint.

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I do recommend chess 960 as study-tool ! Far more useful than plagarism & database re-enactment. :)

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netzach wrote:

Look at the size of the US & only poorly represented in the FIDE top 100. Even worse in women's section !

Maybe I'm talking crap & maybe I'm not but if you are all too blinkered to listen then will spend no more time on the matter..

Kids in the US are more into some many other things that aren't available in the rest of the world. I would say video games is number one. Kids here go swimming almost daily in the summer months and some places here 5 or 6 months a year, ride a wide variety of recreational vehicles, play sports, football, basketball and baseball are so popular here compared to Europe, is isn't even funny. Those things pay multimillions dollars a year, plus you are a famous hero if you are good. Chess doesn't offer that here.

Chess is considered boring to most people here and once they realize the effort it takes, they don't want to work for something that has such small monetary rewards for their efforts. You'll find far more people here who are into making money than playing chess. Poker is far more popular, even in an amateurish way.

I think chess is more popular in harsher environments. In cold places like Russia, isn't it fitting to stay indoors and do something that is time consuming that stimulates the mind. Also, in certain cultures, where the exercise of the mind is held in a different regard than in the US, things like chess have a different appeal.

I thought a thread or more here, already established that being good at chess doesn't necessarily equate to being really intelligent, or vice versa? Trust me, US citizens aren't 2nd class to anyone else and especially not because we don't care about chess. We don't care about soccer either, can you tell?

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I understand how fervent US-citizens are. Of course I do !

What I am trying to say is in 40yrs of trying it's not working ?

You need to adopt fresh-methods.

I think they do care about success in sport it's important to them as the Olympics taking place right now illustrates.

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netzach wrote:

I understand how fervent US-citizens are. Of course I do !

What I am trying to say is in 40yrs of trying it's not working ?

You need to adopt fresh-methods.

I take it you are referring to our drought since Fischer was WCC ?

I live in the 17th largest city in the US. There are probably only about 20% of the high schools here with chess clubs. It would probably be fair to say there are no chess clubs in schools for kids any younger than high school aged. There are only about 5 chess clubs in this city outside of schools. Chess just isn't important to people here.

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Really Netz...is it so suprising that from a culture who doesn't care about chess, since Fischer, we have been dominated by 4 Russian world champions and one Indian world champ?

The Russian culture is as synonymous with chess as any ever, if not the epitome of chess culture for the rest of the world to look up to and India is perhaps where the game came from in the first place. It is another culture that is rooted deeply with knowledge being paramount and necessary to survive in a harsh environment, similarly to Russia.

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nameno1had wrote:
netzach wrote:

I understand how fervent US-citizens are. Of course I do !

What I am trying to say is in 40yrs of trying it's not working ?

You need to adopt fresh-methods.

I take it you are referring to our drought since Fischer was WCC ?

I live in the 17th largest city in the US. There are probably only about 20% of the high schools here with chess clubs. It would probably be fair to say there are no chess clubs in schools for kids any younger than high school aged. There are only about 5 chess clubs in this city outside of schools. Chess just isn't important to people here.

It is important to people here ! (chess.com)

Let me re-phrase what I mean. Since US is not world-leader in chess then why slavishly pay attention to US methods for teaching/learning the game ?

Why did Galaxy employ Beckham for soccer ? If something not succeeding consult those who are good at it ??

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netzach wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
netzach wrote:

I understand how fervent US-citizens are. Of course I do !

What I am trying to say is in 40yrs of trying it's not working ?

You need to adopt fresh-methods.

I take it you are referring to our drought since Fischer was WCC ?

I live in the 17th largest city in the US. There are probably only about 20% of the high schools here with chess clubs. It would probably be fair to say there are no chess clubs in schools for kids any younger than high school aged. There are only about 5 chess clubs in this city outside of schools. Chess just isn't important to people here.

It is important to people here ! (chess.com)

Let me re-phrase what I mean. Since US is not world-leader in chess then why slavishly pay attention to US methods for teaching/learning the game ?

Point taken, but why stereotype a method for learning chess that an American proposes as, strictly American, instead of looking at it from an unbiased viewpoint, that is instead measured by logic?

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nameno1had wrote:
netzach wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
netzach wrote:

I understand how fervent US-citizens are. Of course I do !

What I am trying to say is in 40yrs of trying it's not working ?

You need to adopt fresh-methods.

I take it you are referring to our drought since Fischer was WCC ?

I live in the 17th largest city in the US. There are probably only about 20% of the high schools here with chess clubs. It would probably be fair to say there are no chess clubs in schools for kids any younger than high school aged. There are only about 5 chess clubs in this city outside of schools. Chess just isn't important to people here.

It is important to people here ! (chess.com)

Let me re-phrase what I mean. Since US is not world-leader in chess then why slavishly pay attention to US methods for teaching/learning the game ?

Point taken, but why stereotype a method for learning chess that an American proposes as, strictly American, instead of looking at it from an unbiased viewpoint, that is instead measured by logic?

Because it doesn't seem to be working & may be flawed. Is that not reason enough?

I wouldn't open '' Sushi '' restaurant without first gaining essential-knowledge on how to do so ??

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netzach wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
netzach wrote:

I understand how fervent US-citizens are. Of course I do !

What I am trying to say is in 40yrs of trying it's not working ?

You need to adopt fresh-methods.

I take it you are referring to our drought since Fischer was WCC ?

I live in the 17th largest city in the US. There are probably only about 20% of the high schools here with chess clubs. It would probably be fair to say there are no chess clubs in schools for kids any younger than high school aged. There are only about 5 chess clubs in this city outside of schools. Chess just isn't important to people here.

It is important to people here ! (chess.com)

Let me re-phrase what I mean. Since US is not world-leader in chess then why slavishly pay attention to US methods for teaching/learning the game ?

Why did Galaxy employ Beckham for soccer ? If something not succeeding consult those who are good at it ??

The bottom line for soccer as it pertains to the US, is that all of our best athletes are playing football, basketball and baseball. They make more money at it than soccer.

Honestly it is more fun to play football and basketball than soccer. I think baseball is one its last legs here honestly, though denial abounds.

I am willing to bet that other countries' best athletes are playing in their nations most popular and cherished sport, soccer. Some of the Latin American countries get competition from baseball, but that's it. I think you can tell by watching the Olympics what would happen if our best athletes were to instead play soccer.

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nameno1had wrote:
netzach wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
netzach wrote:

I understand how fervent US-citizens are. Of course I do !

What I am trying to say is in 40yrs of trying it's not working ?

You need to adopt fresh-methods.

I take it you are referring to our drought since Fischer was WCC ?

I live in the 17th largest city in the US. There are probably only about 20% of the high schools here with chess clubs. It would probably be fair to say there are no chess clubs in schools for kids any younger than high school aged. There are only about 5 chess clubs in this city outside of schools. Chess just isn't important to people here.

It is important to people here ! (chess.com)

Let me re-phrase what I mean. Since US is not world-leader in chess then why slavishly pay attention to US methods for teaching/learning the game ?

Why did Galaxy employ Beckham for soccer ? If something not succeeding consult those who are good at it ??

The bottom line for soccer as it pertains to the US, is that all of our best athletes are playing football, basketball and baseball. They make more money at it than soccer.

Honestly it is more fun to play football and basketball than soccer. I think baseball is one its last legs here honestly, though denial abounds.

I am willing to bet that other countries' best athletes are playing in their nations most popular and cherished sport, soccer. Some of the Latin American countries get competition from baseball, but that's it. I think you can tell by watching the Olympics what would happen if our best athletes were to instead play soccer.

Understand & agree. What is important for Americans to remember is that chess is also a mental-discipline ( ie: biggest/strongest does not automatically win ! ) This is why my comments re: how you '' think '' about the game are relavent in my opinion.

Baseball, softball, american-football etc are not truly ''international'' sports they are local & cultural to americans.

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I still think you missed what I said about, just because an American proposes a chess method, it has to be bad...

Ok, would you say that advice given by Bruce Pandolfini and Josh Waitzkin are bad? One is an IM and the other an NM ?  In fact I would say if Josh Waitzkin wasn't lured away to the pursuits of Thai Chi and Brazilian Ju Jistsu, BTW, I would say he would be a GM by now.

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nameno1had wrote:

I still think you missed what I said about, just because an American proposes a chess method, it has to be bad...

Ok, would you say that advice given by Bruce Pandolfini and Josh Waitzkin are bad? One is an IM and the other an NM ?  In fact I would say if Josh Waitzkin wasn't lured away to the pursuits of Thai Chi and Brazilian Ju Jistsu, BTW, I would say he would be a GM by now.

Okay for an american to propose it sure !

But what if that proposal doesn't work ?

What happens then ??

America has numerous good chess-players of course but is poorly-represented amongst the world's ''best'' chess-players as I said previously.

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I hope you didn't get the impression we are all just strong and fast goons who have no brains here? We are good at what we apply ourselves to, generally speaking. We all are in a sense, some end up better than others at what they pursue obviously.

The same phenomenon that occurs with soccer here, occurs with chess. The people here who would be good at chess would rather dedicate themselves to making money and enjoying the decadence that life has to offer quite often. Opting to be poor, scoffed at, and notorious for how one squandered their intellect isn't often considered a worth while or a noble pursuit here.

I also think it is fair to say that chess players the world over, that are really good, come from a culture of chess, either have a sponser or come from well to do families, where their pursuits aren't an economic burden.

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Okay & to draw the line somewhere america may have to wait for the ongoing process of economic-decline to complete before acheiving chess-excellence ?

Asian nations are expressing keen-interest also. Success is being attained in chess & all other endeavours too hence a competitive climate will exist ! :)

Is neck & neck in the Olympics but China are marginally ahead of the US today.

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netzach wrote:

Okay & to draw the line somewhere america may have to wait for the ongoing process of economic-decline to complete before acheiving chess-excellence ?

It would be fair to say that in one aspect, if we all couldn't afford xbox 360's, ATV's, and in ground swimming pools, perhaps would settle for drawing chess figures and a board in the dirt like kids in India. On the other hand, it would be more of a matter of cultural change than any really.

I understand your logic. It makes sense to go to a place that is speficially designed for giving directions, than to ask a random stranger, who in a stereotypical sense, isn't known for being able to give good directions. However, it is somewhat presumptuous and stereotypical in that regard also, to think there is no one else could do so.

To me it is the same as looking at someone and deciding that they didn't remind you of what all of the intelligent people looked like that you knew, so they probably aren't intelligent.

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nameno1had wrote:
netzach wrote:

Okay & to draw the line somewhere america may have to wait for the ongoing process of economic-decline to complete before acheiving chess-excellence ?

It would be fair to say that in one aspect, if we all couldn't afford xbox 360's, ATV's, and in ground swimming pools, perhaps would settle for drawing chess figures and a board in the dirt like kids in India. On the other hand, it would be more of a matter of cultural change than any really.

I understand your logic. It makes sense to go to a place that is speficially designed for giving directions, than to ask a random stranger, who in a stereotypical sense, isn't known for being able to give good directions. However, it is somewhat presumptuous and stereotypical in that regard also, to think there is no one else could do so.

To me it is the same as looking at someone and deciding that they didn't remind you of what all of the intelligent people looked like that you knew, so they probably aren't intelligent.

Well the things I speak of exist in the world right now nemo & are not imaginings. Dangerous to assume that status-quo now will exist for ever as that is unlikely. America indeed began by ''scratching-in-the-dirt'' & needs to be careful to maintain the level you have reached above that today.

All of Europe acutely aware of economic-trouble. America has it also & should do the same.

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