Rules re Asking for Resignation

Imagine pics of half naked women being brought in, OTB. Imagine dirty jokes being posted at a FIDE tourney. What logic is this?

Yes, you shouldn't harass people. That's a good one. I believe you are right. THere is a rule against that I think.

There is not a rule against asking someone to resign. There is not a rule against playing on like a tool when you are down a Queen and two Rooks against someone 300 points higher. You are free to do both on this site. No you cannot harass. We got it.

Talk about beating a dead horse.

I had an online game in which the opponent was desperately lost. I kindly asked if she would save us both the time and resign, or if she wanted to waste both her and my time while I maneuvered for checkmate - She resigned. I appreciated that she did resign, but was annoyed that it took her so long to do so. She had a King and 3 pawns with no room to maneuver against my Queen, 2 Rooks, 1 Knight, 1 Bishop and 4 pawns. The pawns were still on their original squares, but if she wanted to continue, I would have just advanced and promoted, making sure not to give her the 50 move rule.

So yes, I think it is completely okay to ask an opponent to resign if they are clearly in a hopeless position, especially in a 3 days per move online game that can take over a month or more to complete, but just be polite about it and not demeaning or condescending.

In correspondence chess, players sometimes adopt the infamous "dead man's defense." The plan is to keep the game going until beyond the end of the opponent's life. I don't ever ask an opponent to resign, but have been known to assure an opponent moving slowly in a hopeless position that my health is good and I have many years left ahead of me.

Well things here do happen and sometimes you just need to ignore them or deal with them the best you can.

I had a guy I was playing about 3 weeks ago ask me in the game chat if I would accept a draw. We were on like move 7 and not even into mid game and my opening was fine. He said he was going to be gone during the Holidays and wanted to end the game. He was rated about 250 points under me and I checked the rating adjustment box to see what a Draw would cost me. I would lose like 30 points to him for a draw. My reply was I would if you were not rated so much lower as a draw would cost me more points than if you resigned the game. He has played on so looks like he didn't need to draw that bad.

I personally didn't take any offence by his offer and would have done it if it would have cost me fewer rating points. I believe this happens here more than we know. I also think it is rare to have a player try to drag out a lost game. I have only had a couple games where I could see the other player trying for a Stalemate by repetition or trying for the 50 move rule. All are legal defenses in chess but the Sportsman thing to do is resign when in a lost position. That said not every player here are good sports.In any case Rude or not you can ask the other player almost anything. I have even seen some extreme profanity in game chats so what CM is asking is pretty mild compared to lots of things I have seen here.

The only thing I am asking is what the rules on chess.com are. That's all I am asking. I'm not asking if people think it's rude -- I know some will.

Actually, I didn't ask anyone to resign Commander. I wanted to know the rules though. I was misinformed by someone who told me it was not allowed on this site to ask for someone to resign. I had my suspicions they might be incorrect...and they were.

I am still at the level where I like to play out and practice the endgames. However, when I am being beaten badly by someone much higher (e.g., chess2Knights recently) I typically resign ... unless I know that person is okay with playing it out in order to help me or it is more of a lesson.

I'm not shy though. If someone is being rude by playing it out like a tool, I won't hesitate in asking for resignation because a rude person thinks it might be rude. It would be....illogical...as Spock says.

You give respect, you get respect.

That's true. However, that person may never grant you another rematch if you tick them off.

I can certainly understand why it might be considered more "sporting" to resign from a losing position than play out the game. However, this would presume a match between relative equals who are both fully capable of recognising when the game is lost.

I think some of the more experienced, higher rated players need to acknowledge that it's not necessarily good for learners and moderate level players to resign too quickly. It might be more beneficial for them to get some end game experience and let the match play out, even if they have no chance of winning.

If your expectation is that your opponents should resign from a losing position, then perhaps you should only play against high level players, who have nothing to gain by persistence. Playing against a lower level player, then becoming irritated because they won't resign when you'd like them to, is rather conceited. Your opponent has the right to see the game through to its conclusion if they want to. If you can't be bothered to see out the game, then perhaps you shouldn't have started it in the first place.

I would never ask an opponent to resign as I think it's impertinent. I probably wouldn't be bothered overly much if an opponent asked me to resign, so long as they were polite about it. The only time an opponent did ask me to resign on this site, however, they quite rude about it. And when I refused on general principle, I was accused of being "unprofessional". This is completely unacceptable. Rather, it's "unprofessional" to believe that playing out the end game is beneath you.

@Chicken_Monster: You seem to be missing an important point. You keep referring to this notion that "some people" may consider one behavior rude, and "some people" may consider another behavior rude. Actually, etiquette is usually determined by cultures, not individuals. There may be ambiguous or controversial cases, and there are surely other non-ambiguous non-controversial cases. This thread should have registered with you as a resoundingly clear message: Asking someone to resign IS rude. Wanting to play on from ANY position is NOT rude. If you're quite willing to do something that is almost universally regarded as the behavior of an asshole... well, as you've said yourself, you have your answer.

I usually resign early. If you asked me to resign during the game, be sure you would have to checkmate me.

I would say that asking your opponent to resign is about the height of poor sportsmanship.

And yes, it is, strictly speaking, also against the rules; you are not permitted to bother your opponent during play - this includes any talking, with the explicit exceptions of offering a draw or resigning, and even the frequent offer of a draw is considered incredibly poor form.

Many excellent chess coaches tell their students not to resign until they are a certain rating (usually +1500 USCF). 

Asking a person to resign is really offensive. As long as that person has something to learn from the game (such as the most efficient way to win), then he or she should NOT resign.

"Resign now and I'll give you a rematch". Then don't give them a rematch.

And you might want to reread my answer, because I did indeed answer your question.  Please note the bold text.

You seem to have your mind made up already, but most other contributors here keep harping on the point because, though the rule is not there, any resignation request cannot be phrased politely enough so as to remove all traces of offense and rudeness. So your original question's premise is faulty--tantamount to a paradox.

I agree with Smyslov fan. In my own games, I resign when there is nothing left to learn and all stalemate tricks have been eliminated. In other words, when I could beat Carlsen from my opponent's side of the board, it is time to concede.

SmyslovFan wrote:

Many excellent chess coaches tell their students not to resign until they are a certain rating (usually +1500 USCF). 

Asking a person to resign is really offensive. As long as that person has something to learn from the game (such as the most efficient way to win), then he or she should NOT resign.

I have been ask a few times.  it did not seem to bother me. It seems I can tell in my meddle game who is going to win the game. Some times I will say to them  I should resign the game I would like to saty in the game  for a few moves to learn some thing I want to learn a lot of friends our so good and it depends on the game. What I do not like is when you are close to winning and the friend resigns a lot of games so there rating will go down for some reason or another.

If someone asked me to resign:

A)  I would immediately report them to the website staff.

B)  I would then play as slow as possible until checkmate was forced.

If all you are asking is if it's against chess.com's rules to ask for your opponent to resign, then no, it is not, UNLESS you are blatantly rude about it and fall under the definition of abuse, a violation of the Terms Of Service. This isn't a formal tournament OTB setting where it would not be acceptable etiquitte - It's chess.com.

Kaynight never ceases to amuse me! I got some lolz from that :)

But anyway Chicken, here are my deciding factors regarding resignation.

1. Your rating. I'll resign if you are much higher rated than I am, and one of these 2 scenarios happens, of course!

2. Material count. If you have a huge substantial lead, say if I played terribly and you managed to keep your Queen, 2 Knights and a Rook, there's no way I'm going to continue to play against that. gg!

3. The position. The material may be close, say you may be up a piece or a pawn or whatever, but if you have 2 connected passers on the 7th vs. my lonely Rook, or if you are threatening mate and it is unavoidable, then yeah. gg on those too.

I never in my 65 years of play, asked an opponent to resign.

But, I mostly played experts and masters and they knew when to resign and when not to resign.

I would just not play again a player who refuses to resign.   There are too many players who might take it as an insult to ask for a resignation, even if you word it in a nice way.

Best to try and avoid players who do not know when to resign. One way to do this is to try and play against opponents much higher rated than you. The higher they are rated, the more likely they know when to resign.

If, it is a tourament, carefully read the rules of play. Some tournaments are set up to partially avoid this problem. Avoid tournaments with too liberal "vacations".

I played a guy the other day (third time I have played him) and he eventually got down to only a King. I had two pawns, a Rook, and a Queen. He still didn't resign. Made me play it out. This is the third time he has done this. I never asked him to resign. In fact, I gave him a trophy afterward. Three stikes and you're out. He keeps challenging me and I keep denying him. Then send me another challenge. Finally I had to start messaging him and posting on his page multiple times. to say I was busy. He has over 100 games going at once.