Rules re Asking for Resignation

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Chicken_Monster

Why do you say they are polar opposites?

From what I hear, many people who are into one are also into the other...Magnus Carlsen is just one example...Dan Harrington is another...I think they tend to attract smart analytical people who enjoy strategic games...they attract some dummies too no doubt...especially poker..

lolurspammed

When my opponents ask me to resign it takes a bit of restraint to hold back from being rude, it's annoying.

MuhammadAreez10

I once asked my opponent to resign. He immediately did.

Chicken_Monster

I have never asked an opponent to resign (not counting joking around with a buddy online).

I have never been asked to resign. That may be because I am courteous to other people and when all is hopelessly lost I resign purely out of my own volition.

Chicken_Monster
kaynight wrote:

Chicken: Have read you in action. Not courteous at all.

You are projecting. I've been reading your posts for some time now.

You give respect, you get respect. I don't believe in an eye for an eye. I believe in two eyes for an eye.

Sred
Chicken_Monster wrote:
kaynight wrote:

Chicken: Have read you in action. Not courteous at all.

You are projecting. I've been reading your posts for some time now.

You give respect, you get respect. I don't believe in an eye for an eye. I believe in two eyes for an eye.

You believe in escalation?

DrSpudnik

Are they on sale?

Chicken_Monster
Sred wrote:
Chicken_Monster wrote:
kaynight wrote:

Chicken: Have read you in action. Not courteous at all.

You are projecting. I've been reading your posts for some time now.

You give respect, you get respect. I don't believe in an eye for an eye. I believe in two eyes for an eye.

You believe in escalation?

It depends on the context. Generally, no. I believe in defense though. There can be a difference. At times, the best defense is a good offense. Again, it depends on the context. I don't start a fight, but I if necessary I will finish one. Prefer not to be attacked, however. Peace is more desirable. I never let someone walk all over me though.

You?

lolurspammed

I believe in selling people

Chicken_Monster
lolurspammed wrote:

I believe in selling people

I believe in buying people.

dpnorman

I don't think there's a rule against it. But don't do it, as people will get annoyed with you. Yes, it's impolite not to resign in a lost position, but it's also impolite to demand that your opponent resigns if he doesn't want to.

Anarchos61

I liked Spassky'sway or urging obstinate players to resign during simuls:"But where is your army?"

Chicken_Monster
dpnorman wrote:

I don't think there's a rule against it. But don't do it, as people will get annoyed with you. Yes, it's impolite not to resign in a lost position, but it's also impolite to demand that your opponent resigns if he doesn't want to.Y

That's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

There is no rule against asking someone to resign on chess.com. That was covered on the first page, and the reason I made this thread.

There is no rule against trolling, being a jerk, lots of stuff. There is a rule against harassment I believe. Who knows where they draw the line, but chess.com does not prohibit you from requesting a resignation...unless your actions ecompassed harassment. Simply requesting that your opponent resign is allowed. Some consider it rude. Some don't. That's what all the arguing is about. Everyone thinks they are right. Just like whether to study openings and how much, whether tactics are more important than calculation, you know, the same old stoopid stuff.

That's my understanding.

However, asking one to resign in a sanctioned tourney is prohibited by the rules (at least in the USCF). NOT on chess.com. Completely different.

Now people will start posting it is rude. That's fine to feel that way. People are rude every day on this site, hundreds of time a day -- and there are a lot of nice people too.

So choose your side. Rude? Not rude? The thread was created by me to ask one question: Is it against the rules? The answer is NO, unless you are harassing someone (at least that is what I am being told).

Chicken_Monster
dpnorman wrote:

I don't think there's a rule against it. But don't do it, as people will get annoyed with you. Yes, it's impolite not to resign in a lost position, but it's also impolite to demand that your opponent resigns if he doesn't want to.

It is rude to tell others what to do and what not to do.

Chicken_Monster
Anarchos61 wrote:

I liked Spassky'sway or urging obstinate players to resign during simuls:"But where is your army?"

I'm not familiar with that. What happened?

wormrose

I would NEVER ask someone to resign. I have encountered people who state right up front that they never resign. I salute them! The rules don't say they have to resign. When an opponent plays on, I'm not insulted, I'm intrigued. It's nice to play an endgame now and then. I'm not in in a hurry. I came to play, so why not play? I'm always courteous. Even when my opponent acts like a jerk, I have nothing to gain by becoming a jerk myself.

When people play chess against me they are trying to win. I don't hold that against them.

Chicken_Monster
wormrose wrote:

I would NEVER ask someone to resign. I have encountered people who state right up front that they never resign. I salute them! The rules don't say they have to resign. When an opponent plays on, I'm not insulted, I'm intrigued. It's nice to play an endgame now and then. I'm not in in a hurry. I came to play, so why not play? I'm always courteous. Even when my opponent acts like a jerk, I have nothing to gain by becoming a jerk myself.

When people play chess against me they are trying to win. I don't hold that against them.

I applaud your passionate feeling about this issue.

ponz111
wormrose wrote:

I would NEVER ask someone to resign. I have encountered people who state right up front that they never resign. I salute them! The rules don't say they have to resign. When an opponent plays on, I'm not insulted, I'm intrigued. It's nice to play an endgame now and then. I'm not in in a hurry. I came to play, so why not play? I'm always courteous. Even when my opponent acts like a jerk, I have nothing to gain by becoming a jerk myself.

When people play chess against me they are trying to win. I don't hold that against them.

You are "intrigued" with an opponet who never resigns? 

blastforme
I think this game is sort of relavent to this discussion... Should I have resigned when I blundered away my queen? I didn't think so...
 
Also interesting is the question of whether or not it's good form not to accept a draw when a draw is the only reasonable outcome... 
 
Firstly, do you agree this was a draw at the point indicated (move 52)? I think either side had to abandon their position to progress the game, and doing so would allow their opponent to clobber them!  I thought it was a bit annoying that he refused the draw, but was happy to take the win he handed me....
 
 
TheAdultProdigy
blastforme wrote:
I think this game is sort of relavent to this discussion... Should I have resigned when I blundered away my queen? I didn't think so...
 
Also interesting is the question of whether or not it's good form not to accept a draw when a draw is the only reasonable outcome... 
 
Firstly, do you agree this was a draw at the point indicated? I think either side had to abandon their position to progress the game, and doing so would allow their opponent to clobber them!  I thought it was a bit annoying that he refused the draw, but was happy to take the win he handed me....
 
 
 

Ratings have much to do with it, too.  Up to USCF 2300, I don't think there is ever a reason to resign a game, ever.  Inattentiveness is something that Jeremy Silman talks about a lot, as does Herman Grooten.  I have forced players on this site in blitz into mating patterns after dropping a queen, and that's with the opponent having been 100+ points better than I.  If it's worth beginning the game, it should be worth struggling for a drawing combination/position or waiting for the oppoenent to give away the game through inattentiveness.