SmyslovFan wrote:
If you really want to "test" someone, ask them what pieces are involved in the Lucena position, and what is the correct result with best play. That will weed out most players below 1200 strength in one go.
Sure would me.
Sad case of high school chess cheating
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They would just google it on their customised monroi.
Excellent article. Very well written and informative. One thought crossed my mind as I was reading it: don't the tournament participants have to submit their scoresheet after every game? I have only ever played in one tournament in my life, and that was over 40 years ago, but I remember having to do this. If Smiley was running a chess engine exclusively on his device, then he wasn't recording his moves, which meant he had no scoresheet to submit, which, in turn would have resulted in an investigation. Since the submission of scoresheets was not mentioned in the article, I assume that this was never an issue. Therefore, the obvious conclusion is that Smiley switched from App to App at will. It seems Muradian is mistaken. Or am I missing something?
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I know what the Lucena position is but doubt that I am 1200 strength. Of course, I did make an effort to study rook and pawn endings (about 30 years ago) and still remember a little bit of what I had studied. Of course, I still blunder in simple endgames that I should know cold.
In any event, my point is that knowing names of positions or openings does not mean that one is a strong chess player, and conversely not knowing the names of openings does not necessarily mean that one is a weak player. Someone mentioned asking about the Panov Botvinik as a test of chess knowledge. Well, prior to a year or two ago, I would have had no clue as to what the Panov was (even though I am sure that I had played against it at least a few time in my life). The only reason I know now is that I bought a book on the Caro Kann, and learned the name from reading the book. Unfortunately, even after reading the book, I am not sure that I really understand the Panov or the Caro Kann any better than I did before (which is not very well at all).
SmyslovFan wrote:
Iif you really want to "test" someone, ask them what pieces are involved in the Lucena position, and what is the correct result with best play. That will weed out most players below 1200 strength in one go.
I also think having no electronic devices allowed on people during tournament play would stop a lot of possible cheating.
Probably the best way to figure if someone is cheating is to ask them about the game.
@FirebrandX, I don't know what the Panov-Botvinnik attack is 
What is it?
bet he's now playing on chess.com with a new name...........
Chess.com, please take the picture down.
He did an incredibly stupid and lame thing and I condemn the behavior. He is a cheater and a liar, but he is a kid at least for a time. While some say suffer the consequences, I do not see the point in sending his picture around the world a billion times and passing it around so we can berate him publicly.
He may have brought it upon himself, but a full scale public humiliation does nobody good and can often been quite damaging or tragic. As billyblatt mentions, I believe it may be illegal. As a teacher, I know that I must get consent from parents before using any image of a student in any way beyond the classroom. If something were to happen I would not be surprised if chess.com were in some way liabile, although I don't know. At the very least it is unethical and in very poor taste.
Again, I am not saying that I have respect for him or what he did, but (TetsuoShima) we are not talking about a killer, just a kid who cheated in chess.
McDermo wrote:
Chess.com, please take the picture down.
He did an incredibly stupid and lame thing and I condemn the behavior. He is a cheater and a liar, but he is a kid at least for a time. While some say suffer the consequences, I do not see the point in sending his picture around the world a billion times and passing it around so we can berate him publicly.
He may have brought it upon himself, but a full scale public humiliation does nobody good and can often been quite damaging or tragic. As billyblatt mentions, I believe it may be illegal. As a teacher, I know that I must get consent from parents before using any image of a student in any way beyond the classroom. If something were to happen I would not be surprised if chess.com were in some way liabile, although I don't know. At the very least it is unethical and in very poor taste.
Again, I am not saying that I have respect for him or what he did, but (TetsuoShima) we are not talking about a killer, just a kid who cheated in chess.
He cheated, why shouldnt other people be at least warned about him??? no1 will berate him but it would at least be good to know.
Yes you are a teacher, but your students are innocents.
Well he isnt a killer, but a cheat can affect the lifes of people just as bad, we should at least be warned that we are dealing with a dishonest person.
It will do greater good, it will not only warn us but also dissuade other people.
You sound almost like you would like a ''cover-up'' and threatening towards chess.com with talk of ''legality''?
Whilst we all should behave ethically (perhaps agree picture unnecessary) those posting recently in this topic are creating circular-arguments and re-treading ground already discussed. Perhaps reading all the prior comments thoroughly will prevent people being repeatist.
16yrs old is old enough to be held to account for misbehaviour though many, including myself, have argued punishment should be appropriate and lenient.
This item is of strong chess interest however so nobody should seek to censor/suppress it.
McDermo wrote:
Chess.com, please take the picture down.
He did an incredibly stupid and lame thing and I condemn the behavior. He is a cheater and a liar, but he is a kid at least for a time. While some say suffer the consequences, I do not see the point in sending his picture around the world a billion times and passing it around so we can berate him publicly.
He may have brought it upon himself, but a full scale public humiliation does nobody good and can often been quite damaging or tragic. As billyblatt mentions, I believe it may be illegal. As a teacher, I know that I must get consent from parents before using any image of a student in any way beyond the classroom. If something were to happen I would not be surprised if chess.com were in some way liabile, although I don't know. At the very least it is unethical and in very poor taste.
Again, I am not saying that I have respect for him or what he did, but (TetsuoShima) we are not talking about a killer, just a kid who cheated in chess.
Apr 12, 2013
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TetsuoShima wrote:
billyblatt wrote:
McDermo wrote:
As a teacher I am working with students continuously on making the right choices and have had to deal with cheating issues far too frequently. I think that the penalties should be harsh and it is fine to make an example of him within reason...
That said, I think that posting a giant picture of a minor for the world to see is going a bit too far. I assume many will disagree with me.
agreed.
a virtual lynching is not what is called for, they need to learn their lesson and try to live better lives.
that picture needs to be taken down! it would be different if he was an adult.
i don't think his parents authorised the use of his picture to be used in any way...i think it is illegal to use it....since he is a minor...
he is only 16?? would you have said that if he killed somebody?? i think with 16 you know what you are doing and shoul hold accountable otherwise society will end like in the movie 187
You are mixing everything up! We are talking about the difference between accountability, punishment, and right to live in peace.
No one is questioning whether he knew what he was doing, and he was punished appropriately with a lifetime ban! That is sufficient. He is paying for his crime.
But it is not appropriate for people to start a smear campaign, and not give him a chance to correct his mistakes, so that now he will punished for his mistakes in arenas and social settings where he is not culpable.
Even adults find it hard to handle such things, let alone a minor, or a child.
We are trying to create a humane society, where there are second chances and redemption, not a dog-eat-dog world.
Society can also end up like the movie Stand by Me. You make your own world, you can live by fear and hate, or try to be better. Your choice.
Well im not mixing things up he is a dishonest person and other people should be warned. A lifetime ban is no punishment, he tried to make a negative effect on other peoples life, people should at least be warned that he is a dishonest person. If he doesnt want other people think bad about him, he should commite no crime.
He is a criminal and people should at least know who they are dealing with.
Since when did he get a life time ban?
Apr 12, 2013
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TetsuoShima wrote:
McDermo wrote:
Chess.com, please take the picture down.
He did an incredibly stupid and lame thing and I condemn the behavior. He is a cheater and a liar, but he is a kid at least for a time. While some say suffer the consequences, I do not see the point in sending his picture around the world a billion times and passing it around so we can berate him publicly.
He may have brought it upon himself, but a full scale public humiliation does nobody good and can often been quite damaging or tragic. As billyblatt mentions, I believe it may be illegal. As a teacher, I know that I must get consent from parents before using any image of a student in any way beyond the classroom. If something were to happen I would not be surprised if chess.com were in some way liabile, although I don't know. At the very least it is unethical and in very poor taste.
Again, I am not saying that I have respect for him or what he did, but (TetsuoShima) we are not talking about a killer, just a kid who cheated in chess.
He cheated, why shouldnt other people be at least warned about him??? no1 will berate him but it would at least be good to know.
Yes you are a teacher, but your students are innocents.
Well he isnt a killer, but a cheat can affect the lifes of people just as bad, we should at least be warned that we are dealing with a dishonest person.
It will do greater good, it will not only warn us but also dissuade other people.
How come if you think there is no harm, we can't see a picture of you in your profile?
Why can't we see your face or where you live ? What you afraid of?
It is perfectly ok for you to protect your anonimity, because you don't want the world to know who you are, but you don't seem to extend that same iota of privacy to someone who has been appropriately punished.
It is not for you or us to decide whether his picture should be made public!!
That is the jurisdiction of the law. You are not to take the law in your own hands.
If the Supreme Court decides that his actions were heinous enough to have his picture publicly displayed, then I will agree. Until then, you can't just what you feel like.
@Netzach, . No one is talking about a cover up or censuring. The question is Do you have the legal right to use the picture? That is it. Only the use and abuse of a picture of a minor without any legal consent from his guardian?
Apr 12, 2013
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FirebrandX wrote:
To clarify, I use names to remember the variations. Francisco seemed to imply that he memorized the move order without the names. That's a bit unusual to make it to master level doing that, since remembering the names gives each line a specific character that is easier to remember.
I know the correct responses to whatever the moves are if played in a game, and that is all that matters ultimately. There are no bonus points for naming the opening variation and it only matters when you are trying to communicate to another person about it (and if I don't know a simple question on the move-order suffices).
Someone else pointed out something about the Lucena position, and I had to pause to think about what they were referring to (honestly, I wasn't sure at first!); if they instead asked me how to win such a position, then the answer would be very quick and accurate. Knowing such facts is fine, but I prefer knowing how to use said facts (the positions themselves) even more. I suppose if you do both then that is fine too. 
Netzach,
Thanks for the comment. I am not trying to sound threatening towards chess.com and I truly have no idea of the exact legality of the situation, but it should at least be considered.
I have not read all of the comments and I apologize if I am repeating material. I understand the importance of the topic to the chess community and recognize that the posts are not strictly related to this individual. I would never seek to suppress the story itself and perhaps it is fine to include the name, but the picture is totally unnecessary for the purposes of bringing the situation to light and should be taken down.
Maybe. Especially as looks so young in picture. This kid may even be 17 by now who knows. Picture not neccesary for topic.
Thanks netzach. I will gladly shut up and allow an important discussion to continue unabated when the picture is taken down.
If you really want to "test" someone, ask them what pieces are involved in the Lucena position, and what is the correct result with best play. That will weed out most players below 1200 strength in one go.
True. A very good test.