Secret of Studying Style of B.Fischer

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Elubas

Of course, my story doesn't explain savants -- but it's a complicated issue! And that's really my point -- certain assumptions about talent oversimplify the issue in my opinion.

waffllemaster

No offense, but you're no Carlsen Surprised

I started out awful too, and had difficulty calculating more than 2 ply.  I didn't like math (or any subject) and never tried in school (until I went to college 8 years after HS).  I did always like patterns and logic however.  I chose chess by accident and found out I liked it.

Anyway I'm not lamenting because I'm not a NM, and it takes talent to be a NM, boohoo.  If I were to lament it would be because the top 10 are only populated by people who were once teenaged GMs.

For me it's these exceptional cases only that point to talent's existence.

Elubas

"No offense, but you're no Carlsen"

None taken, of course, but I keep more options open than most people. There are certain ways I think about the game that IMs don't; even though they can beat me now, that doesn't necessarily mean that their way of thinking about chess is better than mine. I don't think positions are boring or dull like even GMs sometimes do. They can beat me for now, but that's because I still have to build up the basics; I'm not convinced that they can reason better than me.

konhidras

(Capablanca -Genius and good looks, Alekhine -Talent + Hardwork) = One of the greatest chess match in history.

Elubas

Of course, this is pointless. Obviously I can't prove to people that I will become a GM -- I have a feeling though that if people could "be me" (a scary thought) for a few hours they would know what I meant when I said the game comes naturally to me, and that I think in ways that grandmasters don't. But of course, nobody has a reason to believe any of this, so I will keep this to myself.

All I will say, and I believe you agreed on this point, is that signs of talent go beyond just having a good rating at an early age (which is generally due to coaches). Having a good rating at an early age is a short run advantage, but I think there are long run advantages that don't result in an extremely high rating at first.

waffllemaster

Well talent or no talent Elubas, I wish you luck with your chess :)

I also enjoy the creative problem solving aspect.

I think some GMs say positions are boring because their technique and experience combine to make the moves and result obvious to them.  Other times they're being lazy, sure.  Other times I think they're correct (even if my evaluation is different).

waffllemaster
Elubas wrote:

Of course, this is pointless. Obviously I can't prove to people that I will become a GM -- I have a feeling though that if people could "be me" (a scary thought) for a few hours they would know what I meant when I said the game comes naturally to me, and that I think in ways that grandmasters don't. But of course, nobody has a reason to believe any of this, so I will keep this to myself.

All I will say, and I believe you agreed on this point, is that signs of talent go beyond just having a good rating at an early age (which is generally due to coaches). Having a good rating at an early age is a short run advantage, but I think there are long run advantages that don't result in an extremely high rating at first.

Yes, I agree with that.  And not being a teenaged GM doesn't necessarily rule out anything IMO.

JariIkonen

This thread is baloney.

prazzzwal

Smile

Kadub

http://www.chess.com/tournament/fischer-random-madness2

Ziryab
TheGrobe wrote:

All of this has me wondering:  Is it possible to be talented at hard work?

Talent or work? Yes.

CHESSkeepsmealive

hard work beats talent when talent doesnt work hard

NikkiLikeChikki
What I don’t understand is why people think the sheer ability to study something for hours and hours day after day isn’t a talent. If people could just simply choose to study hard, they would. Most of us are incapable of obsessively studying something even if we know we should. We get bored. Our minds wander. Sometimes we even just start hating it.

Fischer obsessed. He never got bored. Chess was all he thought about. Saying “well, he just worked hard and anyone can work hard” shows a severe misunderstanding of how the mind works.
Impervious01
I explored some of Fischer’s book choices. He was found of the 3 volume book series,Pachman’s Complete Chess Strategy, as well as the writings and works of CJS Purdy
Nkai20

This is a great documentary about Bobby Fisher, it explains some facts, his approach to chess study and interviews with rivals and people who knew him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds8sVhxdvfA

GMKronicon

He study the games from Capablanca , Alekhine and Morphy. I think he study more than 8 hours a day.