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rayngrant
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
Wilbert_78 wrote:

And it would be good to see that the men in the chess world would become gentlemen again. As in, not drooling over the board when they play against a female. Not commenting on the looks of (famous) female players but on their skills.

Never gonna happen.  It's not our fault we think about sex every 7 seconds, we are programmed as such, instinctually.  

The vast majority of heterosexual men are perfectly capable of reigning in their outward behavior IF THEY CHOOSE to. Yes, men think of sex 24/7. It doesn't mean they have to leer or constantly tell raunchy jokes or make sexual statements about every woman they find alluring that they come in contact with.

I also think that Chesslife magazine seems to sexualize female chess players. They choose the ones that look close to "sexual ideals" and dress them in skimpy dresses with plunging necklines with "sexy" poses. Would they dress up male chess players in equally provocative clothing and poses? I think not...

TheGreatOogieBoogie
plexinico wrote:

Its not sexism, it is realism and fact.
Women can't play chess like men.

There are some exceptions but the women are weaker.

And they segregate themselves, and they enjoy the distinction because they would really be struggling to make a living out of chess if they had to compete with men.

I think it is ok to have separate divisions, so women can have fun too, who actually follows WGM games anyways???  No one cares really, at least not me

I might click on a game in Chessbase but not on purpose.  Information is information no matter who is at the board and there's always something to learn. 

DiogenesDue

during this research he found that when women menstruate a specific area of the right frontal lobe that just randomly also happens to have something to do with spatial analysis and holistic thinking is affected

Link your research/documentation here, or stop spreading rumors...one or the other.

"I heard you can cure cancer by licking poisonous tree frogs..."

p1cu

I just unearthed this a decade later, but would like to add that in 2006, a study by Christopher Chabris and Mark Glickman found that the main reason that women to not play at the competitive level as men in chess is because there are simply less women in chess. They also found that whichever gender a club has more of will typically perform better in competitive play. Personally I believe there are less women in chess due to sexism. The study did seem to find that women were as likely as men to drop out of chess clubs, but I do believe that the gender divide has limited the quality of competition that women can face, and historically women have faced backlash for crossing the gender divide of tournaments (this is not true anymore, but the stigma has been set that you're breaking culture).

tl;dr: women are only worse at chess if there are not enough women in chess

study being quoted:

Chabris, Christopher F., and Mark E. Glickman. “Sex Differences in Intellectual Performance: 
Analysis of a Large Cohort of Competitive Chess Players.” Psychological Science 17, no. 12 (2006): 1040–46. http://www.jstor.org/stable/40064504.

Antonin1957

Troll alert! Troll alert!

LITO13mtz
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WaferRolls99

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Paula-777

Men: "Why aren't there more women in chess?"

Also men: "If I ever encounter a woman, all I think about is having degrading sex with her. Even if she is my competitor in chess, I will always see her as merely an object for my own gratification. It's my instinct and I cannot do anything about it. I swear I am not a psychopath."

Women: "I don't think I'd like to play with someone who sees my worse than subhuman..."

Men, again: "SEE? THERE AREN'T AS MANY WOMEN IN CHESS AS THERE COULD BE!! THIS IS PROOF THEY ARE WEAKER AND STUPIDER THAN US, THE GENDER THAT CURRENTLY HAS THE WORST GRADES, EVEN IF WE'VE HAD A HISTORICAL ADVANTAGE IN EDUCATION AND CONTINUE TO DO SO!!!"

p1cu
WaferRolls99 wrote:

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I feel like someone who responds without reading the comment don't deserve a response, however would like to point out that this statement directly contradicts the science. You might as well say that the moonlanding is fake, the earth is flat, and that COVID was a hoax.

WaferRolls99

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Paula-777
WaferRolls99 wrote:

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you haven't opened a book in your life, have you? Also: Lise Meitner, Rosalind Franklin, Valerie Thomas, Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, Emmy Noether, Hedy Lamarr, Edith Clarke, Katherine Blodgett, Jocelyn Burnell, Emilie du Châtelet, Eunice Newton Foote, Margaret Hamilton, the list goes on and on...

It's almost as if being forcefully married off, constantly impregnated, barred from higher education, and legally considered subhuman, could cause someone to not be able to thrive in the sciences 🤔. It's also almost as if having a house slave for most of your adult life, having rights as a citizen, having access to higher education, and also the possibility of stealing the alleged subhuman's works without any consequences (re: Albert Einstein v. Mileva Maric), could give someone a greater advantage when it comes to thriving in the sciences 🤔.

WaferRolls99
Paula-777 wrote:

Men: "Why aren't there more women in chess?"

Also men: "If I ever encounter a woman, all I think about is having degrading sex with her. Even if she is my competitor in chess, I will always see her as merely an object for my own gratification. It's my instinct and I cannot do anything about it. I swear I am not a psychopath."

Women: "I don't think I'd like to play with someone who sees my worse than subhuman..."

Men, again: "SEE? THERE AREN'T AS MANY WOMEN IN CHESS AS THERE COULD BE!! THIS IS PROOF THEY ARE WEAKER AND STUPIDER THAN US, THE GENDER THAT CURRENTLY HAS THE WORST GRADES, EVEN IF WE'VE HAD A HISTORICAL ADVANTAGE IN EDUCATION AND CONTINUE TO DO SO!!!"

Is that satire?

When I play a female, all I think about is beating her.

I rather suspect that most guys playing females in chess simply see them as obstacles to be removed. They have no other importance. The days of women being valued sexually are waning... which means they have less value and are of less interest to men than ever before in history. To impute your fantasies is self-serving delusion. You appear to WANT to be wanted for "degrading sex " and as an "object for my own gratification". Perhaps that's because outside of that, you have no value to men. In short, if women get what they say they want, they find they don't want it.

Go out on a date with a feminist and tell them you're splitting the check... see how long she wants to remain "equal".

I've seen plenty of interviews with women on the street where they're asked, "What does a man have to have to capture your attention?" They usually reply with things like "six-foot", "good-looking", "makes $200,000 to $10 million a year". When asked what they bring to a relationship, they appear stumped, offering, "I bring ME".

Yeah. You. And what else?

Paula-777
WaferRolls99 wrote:
Paula-777 wrote:

Men: "Why aren't there more women in chess?"

Also men: "If I ever encounter a woman, all I think about is having degrading sex with her. Even if she is my competitor in chess, I will always see her as merely an object for my own gratification. It's my instinct and I cannot do anything about it. I swear I am not a psychopath."

Women: "I don't think I'd like to play with someone who sees my worse than subhuman..."

Men, again: "SEE? THERE AREN'T AS MANY WOMEN IN CHESS AS THERE COULD BE!! THIS IS PROOF THEY ARE WEAKER AND STUPIDER THAN US, THE GENDER THAT CURRENTLY HAS THE WORST GRADES, EVEN IF WE'VE HAD A HISTORICAL ADVANTAGE IN EDUCATION AND CONTINUE TO DO SO!!!"

Is that satire?

When I play a female, all I think about is beating her.

I rather suspect that most guys playing females in chess simply see them as obstacles to be removed. They have no other importance. The days of women being valued sexually are waning... which means they have less value and are of less interest to men than ever before in history. To impute your fantasies is self-serving delusion. You appear to WANT to be wanted for "degrading sex " and as an "object for my own gratification". Perhaps that's because outside of that, you have no value to men. In short, if women get what they say they want, they find they don't want it.

Go out on a date with a feminist and tell them you're splitting the check... see how long she wants to remain "equal".

I've seen plenty of interviews with women on the street where they're asked, "What does a man have to have to capture your attention?" They usually reply with things like "six-foot", "good-looking", "makes $200,000 to $10 million a year". When asked what they bring to a relationship, they appear stumped, offering, "I bring ME".

Yeah. You. And what else?

I was making fun of the men in the comments saying all they could think about was "destroying her box". Comments which, by the way, you said had read all. Your long assumptions are very laughable, though. Also very laughable how you quote street interviews to (probably drunk) women at night by manosphere youtubers as... the perfect source. LMAO.

DragonoftheEclipse
unitedmonkeys wrote:

making a post does not change sexism (even though there is none)

There is Sexism but it isn’t in the game it’s in the players.

DragonoftheEclipse

I don’t really care which gender I am going against, both are smart and both destroy me in chess.

WaferRolls99
Paula-777 wrote:

I was making fun of the men in the comments saying all they could think about was "destroying her box". Comments which, by the way, you said had read all. Your long assumptions are very laughable, though. Also very laughable how you quote street interviews to (probably drunk) women at night by manosphere youtubers as... the perfect source. LMAO.

I was making fun of women who can't do anything as well as men, yet somehow think they are "equal". Without the forbearance and tolerance of Western men, you'd be wearing a burqa, staying at home unless accompanied by a male relative, speaking only when spoken to, and would be stoned in the public square for any transgression that reflected poorly on your family. I don't know about Argentina, but in America, everything women have was given to them by men - including the right to make foolish comments.

DragonoftheEclipse
WaferRolls99 wrote:
Paula-777 wrote:

I was making fun of the men in the comments saying all they could think about was "destroying her box". Comments which, by the way, you said had read all. Your long assumptions are very laughable, though. Also very laughable how you quote street interviews to (probably drunk) women at night by manosphere youtubers as... the perfect source. LMAO.

I was making fun of women who can't do anything as well as men, yet somehow think they are "equal". Without the forbearance and tolerance of Western men, you'd be wearing a burqa, staying at home unless accompanied by a male relative, speaking only when spoken to, and would be stoned in the public square for any transgression that reflected poorly on your family. I don't know about Argentina, but in America, everything women have was given to them by men - including the right to make foolish comments.

Sorry for entering the debate, but women mature faster than men. They also prove to be far more caring and understanding than men. There are many instances in history where men will carry grudges down from their fathers even though there is no reason to, and it is usually women for cross those gaps to get peace again. There is one thing men do better than women and that is killing people without conscience. Also causing arguments based on their prejudices, my example: you. 
by the way I am a male and you are completely wrong, and you are what make me lose hope in humanity.

PartofShiv
DragonoftheEclipse wrote:
WaferRolls99 wrote:
Paula-777 wrote:

I was making fun of the men in the comments saying all they could think about was "destroying her box". Comments which, by the way, you said had read all. Your long assumptions are very laughable, though. Also very laughable how you quote street interviews to (probably drunk) women at night by manosphere youtubers as... the perfect source. LMAO.

I was making fun of women who can't do anything as well as men, yet somehow think they are "equal". Without the forbearance and tolerance of Western men, you'd be wearing a burqa, staying at home unless accompanied by a male relative, speaking only when spoken to, and would be stoned in the public square for any transgression that reflected poorly on your family. I don't know about Argentina, but in America, everything women have was given to them by men - including the right to make foolish comments.

Sorry for entering the debate, but women mature faster than men. They also prove to be far more caring and understanding than men. There are many instances in history where men will carry grudges down from their fathers even though there is no reason to, and it is usually women for cross those gaps to get peace again. There is one thing men do better than women and that is killing people without conscience. Also causing arguments based on their prejudices, my example: you. 
by the way I am a male and you are completely wrong, and you are what make me lose hope in humanity.

But by your comment, I still have hope in humanity. Such males are needed. Thankyou.

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