Sicilian Defense: Hyperaccelerated Pterodacyl

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This is an example of why you shouldn't play this:

I know that my opponent didn't play the best moves but this position plays itself for white if black castles kingside. It was a 5 min game, I finished with 4 min and my opponent lost in 20 moves with 1:47 on the clock.

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IMBacon wrote:

Nothing wrong with the opening.  The problem starts with playing an opening you dont know how to play.

You can always go for some kind of yugoslav attack and get a pleasant game to play

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I just checked and 5.Bc4 is the engine recomended move. I did a 72% best move on that game.

Bye bye knight tongue.png

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IMBacon wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

 

I just checked and 5.Bc4 is the engine recomended move. I did a 72% best move on that game.

Bye bye knight 

1. Youre not playing engines.

2. Engines make mistakes.

3. You didnt understand the opening.

1. If we did we would always lose

2. No, they don't

3. Hahaha ok happy.png

Just accept it, you said I did a bad move and it turned out to be the best.

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If stockfish 9+ make mistakes then prove it.

I understand the difference and it's you who seem to not understand this opening for white.

You said that the way to proceed is 5.dxc5 Qxc5 6.Be3 Qc7 and the engine says that is this position black has equalized so white has no advantage. Then you say that white shoulg go 7.Bd3 wich is not the best move again.

Here's what the engine says:

With a +0.1 advantage for white

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IMBacon wrote:
 

That's the face Gordon would do If he tasted a plate as salty as you

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DeirdreSkye wrote:

   One more online patzer that  thinks he refuted an opening because he won another online patzer.

   Everything you said rather verifies your ignorance than anything else. Both  you  and your opponent have no idea how Black should play.

 

 

That's it. Theoretically a slight almost marginal edge for white because of the bishop on g7(Black will play f6 but that doesn't solve all problems) , but practically equal and  especially for your level ,  perfectly playable.

I regularly play this as Black, as many opponents like the Alaphin-like setup but I can punch holes in their lines... 

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DeirdreSkye wrote:

   One more online patzer that  thinks he refuted an opening because he won another online patzer.

   Everything you said rather verifies your ignorance than anything else. Both  you  and your opponent have no idea how Black should play.

 

 

That's it. Theoretically a slight almost marginal edge for white because of the bishop on g7(Black will play f6 but that doesn't solve all problems) , but practically equal and  especially for your level ,  perfectly playable.

Lol I don't think I refuted anything, I just said it gives white an easy game to play, not wining but with a more clear idea of how to proceed.

You say that I have no idea on how black should play, well maybe I don't as I never go for this kind of positions, in the position you showed black has a bad bishop and a knight on the rim. It may be equal but black's not having an easy game. I would go for this:

Even though I never play the Sicilian.

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Alltheusernamestaken wrote:

If stockfish 9+ make mistakes then prove it.

I understand the difference and it's you who seem to not understand this opening for white.

You said that the way to proceed is 5.dxc5 Qxc5 6.Be3 Qc7 and the engine says that is this position black has equalized so white has no advantage. Then you say that white shoulg go 7.Bd3 wich is not the best move again.

Here's what the engine says:

With a +0.1 advantage for white

Stockfish 9 do mistakes, depending on depth, time control and hardware. The chance of SF 9 making mistakes in common hardware (4-8)cores cpu in a few mins of analysis is very rare in comparison with human. My personal feeling of finding mistakes in opening (opening explorers =50% of them are bad variations/mistakes , strong tournament books= 5% , Stockfish 9 = 5%). 

Mistakes by SF 9 can be seen by 

1. Another SF with higher depth or longer time control

2.Different program with different approach.(eg, leela)

3. Database with already done extensive research(eg. brainfish database or certain human analysis deep lines)

Here is an example SF played bad opening against Leela. (From moves 9 to 19, SF is saying >+1.00 to >1.25 meanwhile Leela is saying that black is already better from move 16)

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/opening-novelty-by-leela-hypermodern-pawn-structure-by-leela

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drmrboss wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:

If stockfish 9+ make mistakes then prove it.

I understand the difference and it's you who seem to not understand this opening for white.

You said that the way to proceed is 5.dxc5 Qxc5 6.Be3 Qc7 and the engine says that is this position black has equalized so white has no advantage. Then you say that white shoulg go 7.Bd3 wich is not the best move again.

Here's what the engine says:

With a +0.1 advantage for white

Stockfish 9 do mistakes, depending on depth, time control and hardware. The chance of SF 9 making mistakes in common hardware (4-8)cores cpu in a few mins of analysis is very rare in comparison with human. My personal feeling of finding mistakes in opening (opening explorers =50% of them are bad variations/mistakes , strong tournament books= 5% , Stockfish 9 = 5%). 

Mistakes by SF 9 can be seen by 

1. Another SF with higher depth or longer time control

2.Different program with different approach.(eg, leela)

3. Database with already done extensive research(eg. brainfish database or certain human analysis deep lines)

Here is an example SF played bad opening against Leela. (From moves 9 to 19, SF is saying >+1.00 to >1.25 meanwhile Leela is saying that black is already better from move 16)

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/opening-novelty-by-leela-hypermodern-pawn-structure-by-leela

Yeah you are right but stockfish doesn't makes mistakes compared to a human level of chess, it maybe did against leela or Deep Mind but that's only becouse you can't compare the hardware as stockfish is not 'thinking', it's just calculating by brute force.