Sick of playing against wayward queen
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hudson_kb
Mar 29, 2022
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At just 500 or so ELO, I’m already sick of facing wayward queen 5 times a day….occasionally still lose when it deviates from the common moves…but Jfc…so sick of it. When does it stop?
1. First of all, you need to change your mindset: the Wayward Queen Attack is GOOD for you as Black! White doesn't get any advantage. So be happy if your opponents play it. 2. Then, you need to study and UNDERSTAND the moves. How to do that? Go to YouTube and search for it. You'll find many sources which teach you how to refute white's early queen move. Also, use opening explorer here on chess.com or go over to Lichess where you can explore it for free. 3. Try other openings than 1...e5. But that just avoids the 'problem' instead of facing it. So, I'd rather go for 1&2.
Mar 29, 2022
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#3
Defend, then punish (by developing your pieces against that queen). As said, it’s an advantage for black.
You should be happy to see wayward queen/scholar's mate attempts. It is a BAD opening. You can get tremendous development against the queen.
Mmmmm, I don’t play much e4 e5, but I’ve seen the Wayward Queen as high as 1500. So… you’ll be seeing it for a while
Mar 29, 2022
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#7
Saying it's an advantage for black may make it more frustrating... because if both players play well then it's just equal.
Sure it's an opening noobs use, but that doesn't make it objectively awful.
Mar 29, 2022
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#8
I was gonna say around 1000 before I saw @busterlark's comment. I've not seen it in a looooong while.
Mar 29, 2022
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#9
Woow... so many people saying you can punish it, or that black gets an advantage...
Mar 29, 2022
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#10
SquirrellyMove wrote:
llama51 wrote:
Woow... so many people saying you can punish it, or that black gets an advantage...
You are 1900 in blitz. Let's see you play someone who is truly 1200 and below and not get an advantage as good as say the Ruy Lopez. It's probably true of 1500 and below also.
My rating is fake. Only 1 unrated game. I could be rated 500.
Also, the Ruy Lopez is also equal with best play so... yeah, vs a 1200 I'd probably be doing equally well with either opening, which was my point.
Mar 29, 2022
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#11
I mean, it's obviously the worse side of equal, which is bad considering white should be on the better side of equal... so it's not a good opening to play... but it's not so bad that you should feel pressured to win against it.
Mar 29, 2022
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#12
hudson_kb wrote:
At just 500 or so ELO, I’m already sick of facing wayward queen 5 times a day….occasionally still lose when it deviates from the common moves…but Jfc…so sick of it. When does it stop?
When you get good enough that you beat it and don't see it anymore. And until you get too good and end up playing Hikaru.
Mar 29, 2022
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#13
llama51 wrote:
Saying it's an advantage for black may make it more frustrating... because if both players play well then it's just equal.
Sure it's an opening noobs use, but that doesn't make it objectively awful.
facts
Just watch out for g4 my friend played this line and when I was 300-1000 I continually lost to this line until I found a way to stop it. Which threw my entire advantage -_-
Mar 29, 2022
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#15
SquirrellyMove wrote:
llama51 wrote:
My rating is fake. Only 1 unrated game. I could be rated 500.
Also, the Ruy Lopez is also equal with best play so... yeah, vs a 1200 I'd probably be doing equally well with either opening, which was my point.
You played mexx13mexx who has 1,869 games with a rating of 1957. You had 83% accuracy. A 500 doesn't play like that against a 1957 player.
Any opening could probably be drawn with best play, that isn't the point. I am addressing the level of difficulty. You wouldn't tell someone starting off in chess to work on their Svidler Grunfeld lines. Openings have different levels of "stability". The Ruy Lopez I found to be more solid and academic when it comes to study. Others prefer the Italian, and then there are those who watch Rosen and Rozman Youtube videos and go googoo over the London.
The Scandinavian and the Scotch in my opinion are trickier, and you need to prepare for them more. At least I do. No one is talking about being pressured to win. Actually, the point is the opposite. You should pressure yourself to be able to stand up to it and defend your position. As you do with the lower levels your chances of winning should increase.
A simple test to decide your aptitude towards Qh5 is to just put it into a chess bot at a lower level and try it out. Try other openings too. See which ones come naturally to you. For me, I win against the Qh5 at the lower levels a lot easier than openings like the Ruy Lopez. If you can't win against the Qh5 at lower levels, then I would be more than happy to help. For me, I lose more games at the lower levels when I play black and my opponent is white and we play the Ruy Lopez.
Sure, it's slightly inferior to standard openings.
But as you can see, over 50% of the people who have posted have hinted or stated that if black knows what they're doing then black should win every time. This is not true, and adds to the frustration of players like the OP.
Mar 29, 2022
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#16
If OP said they were having trouble in this opening, and if people were making posts like @nervesofbutter then I wouldn't have said what I said.
But neither of those things are true. OP only said they were tired of playing against it, not that they were doing badly, and people responded by saying black is better.
Mar 29, 2022
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#17
“It is good for black… it is good for black… it is a bad opening… the classic punishment…”
Mar 29, 2022
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#18
SquirrellyMove wrote:
I only see one post, #5, by @nervesofbutter which doesn't address any of their games. I don't see where they state it should be a win. I see where in their annotation they state where there could be an advantage.
Correct, I used nervsofbutter as an example of a post that didn't say it's a win.
Mar 29, 2022
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#19
Wayward Queen attack (similarly to Englund and London) gets a bad rap because the people who use it tend to be braindead beginners, not because the opening itself is bad.
2.Qh5 is the speciality of IM Miodrag Perunovic who uses it to crush IMs and GMs all the time in online games. He has expressed his intentions to both play it in serious OTB games against GMs and also to create a chessable repertoire based around the Wayward queen attack for white.
For the record, 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nf6! 3.Qxe5+ Be7 is also a completely fine way for black to play, and much more suited to my taste.
