Smurfing is a legal thing here but why?

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Game_of_Pawns
RandomPerson32 wrote:

I totally forgot the meaning of smurfing for a second. No, smurfing is not allowed either because you are not allowed to open multiple accounts.

https://support.chess.com/article/596-can-i-have-multiple-accounts 

This thread isn't about smurfing. The OP just has his definitions wrong.

jm9966

what is smurfing?

RandomPerson32
jm9966 wrote:

what is smurfing?

"Smurfing is when a highly-skilled player creates a secondary account as a disguise to play against less proficient opponents. This almost always results in the Smurf steamrolling their lower-level adversaries, which might be hilarious for the better player but usually leaves their victims bitter." I don't think this thread is about smurfing though, I think it's about sandbagging.

Game_of_Pawns

It's not about sandbagging either.

 

Smurfing requires having multiple accounts. Sandbagging requires intentionally losing rating points.

 

This scenario of creating an account and never playing any rated games, so that your shown rating is meaningless, is neither of those things.

llama47
Bernat656 wrote:

Why smurfing is allowed here?
Chess.com refus to do anything against smurf accounts with +90% win ration.
Time to time im stumble uppon players with tremendous wins and basicaly non lost games.
They usualy bellow elo 1000 or 1500 and playing against the low rated community. 

Since they play unrated games they can keep their elo.

But what is their true elo? 
I saw players with elo 600 and has several wins against 2100.

Why chess.com let players demolish low rated newbies?
They ruining the chess experience for thousands and thousands of players...

Stop playing unrated.

Stop making excuses for your lack of skill.

Bernard656
RandomPerson32 írta:

I totally forgot the meaning of smurfing for a second. No, smurfing is not allowed either because you are not allowed to open multiple accounts.

https://support.chess.com/article/596-can-i-have-multiple-accounts 


Nobody can tell if you have 2-3 accounts with other email , changeing ip , etc...


Bernard656
llama47 írta:
Bernat656 wrote:

Why smurfing is allowed here?
Chess.com refus to do anything against smurf accounts with +90% win ration.
Time to time im stumble uppon players with tremendous wins and basicaly non lost games.
They usualy bellow elo 1000 or 1500 and playing against the low rated community. 

Since they play unrated games they can keep their elo.

But what is their true elo? 
I saw players with elo 600 and has several wins against 2100.

Why chess.com let players demolish low rated newbies?
They ruining the chess experience for thousands and thousands of players...

Stop playing unrated.

Stop making excuses for your lack of skill.

This post is not about my skill. I can have 2000 elo im still be mad if i mached someone with 2000 elo and he were actually a 2800 GM...

Bernard656
ChesswithNickolay írta:
Bernat656 wrote:
harrytipper3 írta:

This thread makes zero sense. I assume it's just a troll thread. 


Ok imagine you are starting chess.
You know the basic moves.
You got an opponent ranked similar elo as you like 600
And he beat the s out of you.
And you dont know why?
Because he is not 600
He is 2200 elo player.
And your game against him is hopless. You cant win. 
Thats not fair play.

Fair play is saying: "im elo 2200 do you want to play against me?"
Yes - No

But some people just hide under a low rank and demolish new players for fun.

If I was in that situations, I would be happy to play against a much higher rated player than myself, and I only lose 0 or 1 points. That is certainly worth it in my opinion. I try my best to get paired with 2200+ rated players.

(edit)

I just reread it and I think you mean sandbagging. Sandbaggers do get banned, I had a friend who did that and got banned.

Its not about sandbagging.
Its about not playing in your elo for years to beat poor newbie players and haveing 18000 win and 1000 lost game , avr 93% accuracy and 80% win rate.

Thats the problem.
Sandbagging is an another thing

BISHOP_e3

Bernard656
ChesswithNickolay írta:
Bernat656 wrote:
ChesswithNickolay írta:
Bernat656 wrote:
harrytipper3 írta:

This thread makes zero sense. I assume it's just a troll thread. 


Ok imagine you are starting chess.
You know the basic moves.
You got an opponent ranked similar elo as you like 600
And he beat the s out of you.
And you dont know why?
Because he is not 600
He is 2200 elo player.
And your game against him is hopless. You cant win. 
Thats not fair play.

Fair play is saying: "im elo 2200 do you want to play against me?"
Yes - No

But some people just hide under a low rank and demolish new players for fun.

If I was in that situations, I would be happy to play against a much higher rated player than myself, and I only lose 0 or 1 points. That is certainly worth it in my opinion. I try my best to get paired with 2200+ rated players.

(edit)

I just reread it and I think you mean sandbagging. Sandbaggers do get banned, I had a friend who did that and got banned.

Its not about sandbagging.
Its about not playing in your elo for years to beat poor newbie players and haveing 18000 win and 1000 lost game , avr 93% accuracy and 80% win rate.

Thats the problem.
Sandbagging is an another thing

What you just said is sandbagging lol. Sandbagging is when you lower your rating and play with other people your rating and crush them because your rating is fake, and is actually much higher than them.

 

well yes but when they reach the low elo they only play unranked forever

GM_Parzival1

I don't think smurfing is allowed

Checknologist
Bernat656 wrote:

 

well yes but when they reach the low elo they only play unranked forever

What's the point in playing unranked forever?

nTzT
Bernat656 wrote:

Yeah its ok to play unrated but when somebody plays 10k games all day every day against 600 elo players and his true elo above 2000 thats just not normal. 

These kind of people just ruining the chess experience for the new players...



This isn't a problem. The amount of players over 2000 is very small compared to the actual player pool and I promise you they don't get there by playing vs 600 rated people all day...

nTzT
Bernat656 wrote:

well yes but when they reach the low elo they only play unranked forever


You realize the entire point of the rating system is to enable good matchmaking... so try playing rated if you want higher quality pairing.

IsraeliGal

I dont think the OP understands that playing unrated forever isn't a bad thing, its not effecting peoples rating, so no one would care. 

If u were complaining about people who deliberately lost RATED, games, then went into weak tournaments slapping everyone up then you have a point.

 

But playing unrated games is not wrong, and no ones playing unrated games against much weaker opponents nonstop, thats not how it works. When u play unrated games ur opponent could be anyone. Its not always gonna be someone with a similar rating to u, because, again, rating doesn't MATTER, in unranked. 

 

Bernard656

Sadly smurfing is legal if they play unranked forever. Whats the point? Beating low rated newbies. Thats the point and thats the problem. Some people only live here to beat 20.000 newbie who has elo 600 or bellow. They refuse to go ranked so they can keep their low elo so the poor new players can even see who is the opponent. If you are a 600 and got a match with a 1700 you would just left the game OR you wanted to try beat him. Thats ok But when you got an elo 600 opponent and you got demolished because he was never elo 600 thats really not ok. Everybody should show true elo before starting any game with anybody because thats fair play. Its ok if you dont have enough mach to show true elo. But playing only unranked is an another thing

JamesColeman

Can you actually post one of the games that you found in the last 12 hours where you apparently lost to a super strong player playing off a low rating? I’m curious. You can redact their account name maybe to comply with ToS 

Debistro

I agree this practice is quite widespread on the unrated circuit. A lot of smurfs who probably have mental issues and get a kick out of beating weaker players. They do this day in, day out. There are different kinds of smurfs. Some do get a rating, and make it just a bit lower than their real rating, some leave it as provisional, some deliberately lower their rating by a lot....chess sites in general don't do anything about them. But if you ask me, they have mental issues. It's a kind of chessboard trolling.

I guess the "rated" equivalent/term for such lunatics should be...."sandbagger"?

IsraeliGal

Lol u guys keep saying smurfs. they aint smurfs if they're playing unrated games.

 

IsraeliGal
ZackShade wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:

Lol u guys keep saying smurfs. they aint smurfs if they're playing unrated games.

 

Yo Sonia, holla at me....  

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