Soviet Cheating in FIDE Competition: 1952 Stockholm Interzonal

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Laskersnephew

I'm not sure that accusations of cheating in a 1952 tournament really qualify as chess "news"

Laskersnephew

"Regarding bridge it is not possible to cheat with hand signals in professional bridge because the players are hidden from each other behind screens."

Despite a steady stream of anti-cheating measures, Bridge seems to experience a major cheating scandal  every five years are so

https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2016/02/competitive-bridge-cheating-scandal

irishwaterspaniel

My soccer team was cheated out of a match in 1893. Absolutely cheated, no doubt about it. And yet when I complain to people about it they look at me weirdly and tell me to just let it go. How should I deal with idiots like that?

anchordraw

Gore tried to cheat in his presidency election, but he got caught with his chad's hanging. 

Laskersnephew
irishwaterspaniel wrote:

My soccer team was cheated out of a match in 1893. Absolutely cheated, no doubt about it. And yet when I complain to people about it they look at me weirdly and tell me to just let it go. How should I deal with idiots like that?

You're joking, but my barber, who is from Portugal, is still enraged about some referee's call in the 1988 World Cup. He gets all red in the face every time he talks about it!

JamieDelarosa

Soviet chess was defined by directed collusion

Laskersnephew
JamieDelarosa wrote:

Soviet chess was defined by directed collusion

And by having the vast majority of good players

JamieDelarosa

Yes, they had state-supported players.  But they also cheated.

An_asparagusic_acid

Cheating is a legitimate strategy.

Blunderseeker

Just ask Korchnoi why he left

JamieDelarosa
An_asparagusic_acid wrote:

Cheating is a legitimate strategy.

 

It was a political (propaganda) strategy for the Soviets.

An_asparagusic_acid
JamieDelarosa wrote:
An_asparagusic_acid wrote:

Cheating is a legitimate strategy.

 

It was a political (propaganda) strategy for the Soviets.

Exactly! That is why it is a good thing.

noblestone
Blunderseeker skrifaði:

Just ask Korchnoi why he left

It´s too late to ask Viktor, he passed away some years ago. I think he left, because he was getting old and the soviets thought it would be better to support the younger players, like Karpov and som others, Korchnoi was still ambitious and wanted more ...

anchordraw

I'm 60, so I remember Korchnoi when he was actively playing.  He was a top player. several youtube videos about him.  This is one from 2014.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxkz3WBTOe8&t=1188s

Nghtstalker
JamieDelarosa wrote:
Kieseritzkys_Revenge wrote:

It wasn't against the rules so it wasn't cheating.  Case closed.

Even if an arguably unethical action is not covered explicitly by the rules, article 12.1 of the FIDE laws of chess states: "The players shall take no action that will bring the game of chess into disrepute."

Case not closed.

Hear! Hear!  This may not have technically against the rules.  But most definitely not in the spirit of the game, and unethical.  In fairness to the Soviet players, they were most definitely not at liberty to go against the wishes of the Soviet Governement.    I also believe this is one of the things Bobby Fischer objected to.  That they would draw against each other and collude to get the top spots.  

JamieDelarosa

Accusations of directed Soviet collusion is nothing new.  Both world Championship candidates Dr. Reuben Fine and Samuel Reshevsky expressed doubt about the Soviets in the late 1940s.

Bobby Fischer was so upset of the the 1962 Candidates Tournament, he penned the article, "The Russians [Soviets] have fixed World Chess."  He was correct! 

pfren
JamieDelarosa έγραψε:

Yes, they had state-supported players.  But they also cheated.

 

Did they also cheat when they dominated both of the USSR vs Rest of the World matches that were held?

Some people have severe problems dealing with reality...

anchordraw

Russia totally dominated the Titled Tuesday event yesterday.  I'm assuming no cheating involved.

SmyslovFan

Watch the prelims of any middle distance race in track. The Kenyans, Ethiopians and other African athletes will run together in a pack to conserve energy. They dominate the races. It's not cheating.

DrChesspain

It's indisputable that the Soviets played as a cartel.

I guess it's comes down to whether people believe it constitutes cheating.