Stalemate rule needs to be abolished!

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Ziryab

Under the current rules, these positions are wins if White possesses basic skills. Under the proposed rules, skill is no longer a necessary component.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

theoreticalboy
stubborn_d0nkey wrote:

It would change the game toooo much. Extra pieces would become much more important than they are now. You'd just see players fighting for a pawn (good bye gambits!) advantage and then just trying to trade off everything. Do you want that?

P.S. I'm all up for a variant without stalemate, but I definitely would keep this in the main rules


No, Monster wants us to stop being part of the herd, and make up our own minds to unconditionally accept everything he says as the one and only truth.

TheGrobe

"Stop being such conformists and comform to my ideals already."

Ziryab

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Monster_with_no_Name
TheGrobe wrote:

"An inflated consciousness is always egocentric and conscious of nothing but its own existence. bla bla bla



This is true of everyone... people are only conscious of others in relation to how they affect them (only a fool thinks of others that has no impact on him)

The only reason people think or do for others is either because 

they fear them or expect something in return.

 Only a fool who hasnt reflected on realities would make virtues out of "disney ideals"

Monster_with_no_Name
johnanna wrote:

i like the stalemate rules just the way they are thank you.  Changing the rules would change the game in significant ways.  To win the game you must demonstrate you have an unstoppable mating threat against your opponent, period. [like when you have 9 queens and the opponent hasnt got a single move left without suicide.] bla bla bla boring rationalizations


female logic... 
accept what the current authority is, rationalise backward with any nonsense why you like it. 

Gm_andrewfeng

STALEMATE IS THE ULTIMATE ZUZWANG SO IT SHOULD BE A LOSS FOR THE STALEMATED PLAYER.
 NOW ABOLISH   STALEMATE RULE!!!

batgirl

I think all moves by Black need to be abolished. . .

ekorbdal

If your opponent can't move it's your fault. You should see it coming.

TheGrobe
Monster_with_no_Name wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

"An inflated consciousness is always egocentric and conscious of nothing but its own existence. bla bla bla



This is true of everyone... people are only conscious of others in relation to how they affect them (only a fool thinks of others that has no impact on him)

The only reason people think or do for others is either because 

they fear them or expect something in return.

 Only a fool who hasnt reflected on realities would make virtues out of "disney ideals"


Kind of makes it tough to explain anonymous donors and good samaritans though doesn't it.

Must be depressing to go through life with such a cynical world-view.  While these folks assuredly have their own reasons and derive their own satisfaction out of their actions it's about as close to pure altruism as we get and certainly at odds with your naive statement above.

Ziryab
ekorbdal wrote:

If your opponent can't move it's your fault. You should see it coming.


+1

Monster_with_no_Name
TheGrobe wrote:
Monster_with_no_Name wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

"An inflated consciousness is always egocentric and conscious of nothing but its own existence. bla bla bla



This is true of everyone... people are only conscious of others in relation to how they affect them (only a fool thinks of others that has no impact on him)

The only reason people think or do for others is either because 

they fear them or expect something in return.

 Only a fool who hasnt reflected on realities would make virtues out of "disney ideals"


Kind of makes it tough to explain anonymous donors and good samaritans though doesn't it.

Must be depressing to go through life with such a cynical world-view.  While these folks assuredly have their own reasons and derive their own satisfaction out of their actions it's about as close to pure altruism as we get and certainly at odds with your naive statement above.


Altruism is nonsense... there is always some concrete explanation..
99% of the time its an absurd upside down twisted world view... like religion (where reality is turned upside down and 1=0 and 0=1, there are magical realms called heaven (reward) and hell (punishment), turn the other cheek and ur good, the meek own the world etc), or some stupid (conditioned since childhood (disney, school, parents)) guilt trip (your scared you will be found out if you dont do something) or something like that. Most of this is deeply subconscious... your conscious mind rationalizes things... whitewashes it so you can sleep at night.

annoynmous donors... once your dead your not really sacraficing anything... most people do it to score points with god, karma or such other nonsense. Or maybe so no one finds out when they look at their license that theyre not donors.
Its also the "done thing"... for herd animals is too painful (punishment) to not go with the herd.

good samaritans... i hear a lot of talk about this .. never see it. 
People *always* stay out of fights on the trains, streets, bars etc, unless its their personal friend involved (in which case theyre expected to help and for which they will be rewarded). 

Monster_with_no_Name
Ziryab wrote:
ekorbdal wrote:

If your opponent can't move it's your fault. You should see it coming.


+1


strange... what twisted thinking ...

none of the resposibility is the persons who cant move...?
why is that?

why is it my responisibility to ensure you have moves and space..

Ziryab
Monster_with_no_Name wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
ekorbdal wrote:

If your opponent can't move it's your fault. You should see it coming.


+1


strange... what twisted thinking ...

none of the resposibility is the persons who cant move...?
why is that?

why is it my responisibility to ensure you have moves and space..


The player with the power should prevent the other's strategy. If he or she cannot, the draw is the penalty. Sometimes, the position must be correctly evaluated prior to reaching the finale.

It is too late for White if Black understand the drawing resource here:




theoreticalboy

Reasoning by Monster: "that's not true, I never see it, and I have hundreds of pieces of anecdotal evidence to prove my point!"

TheGrobe
Monster_with_no_Name wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:
Monster_with_no_Name wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

"An inflated consciousness is always egocentric and conscious of nothing but its own existence. bla bla bla



This is true of everyone... people are only conscious of others in relation to how they affect them (only a fool thinks of others that has no impact on him)

The only reason people think or do for others is either because 

they fear them or expect something in return.

 Only a fool who hasnt reflected on realities would make virtues out of "disney ideals"


Kind of makes it tough to explain anonymous donors and good samaritans though doesn't it.

Must be depressing to go through life with such a cynical world-view.  While these folks assuredly have their own reasons and derive their own satisfaction out of their actions it's about as close to pure altruism as we get and certainly at odds with your naive statement above.


Altruism is nonsense... there is always some concrete explanation..
99% of the time its an absurd upside down twisted world view... blah blah blah


As you'll note, I said it's about as close as we get to true altruism, not that it actually was.  Certainly there are more reasons or seemingly selfless acts than fear and reciprocty as you initially suggested, and even though it can be argued that any act is internally focused, many are rooted in things like the desire to do nice things for others because of the fact that they actually triggers the release of endorphins and dopamine and make people feel good.  A far cry from the cynical view you present.

Anyone who needs to bucket this natural biological response to altruistic behaviour into to being the result a "twisted world view" should take a little time to do some introspection on their own world view.

Monster_with_no_Name
TheGrobe wrote:

Certainly there are more reasons or seemingly selfless acts than fear and reciprocty ................................
and even though it can be argued that any act is internally focused, many are rooted in things like the desire to do nice things for others because of the fact that they actually triggers the release of endorphins and dopamine and make people feel good.  A far cry from the cynical view you present.

100000s of years of evolution chiselled hardwired into the brain.... watch a doco on monkeys and how they interact... when one stops combing the others they are ostrisiced and booted out.... as i said its subconscious and its purely selfish .... just like when you look at a sexy girl you get a rush... you dont go and think about.. "why do i feel this way"...you just do. its subconscious... just like your [expectation of a later reward] for doing nice things for others...if you do something for someone they will pay it back.... it happens so often it becomes subconscious and automatic... your brain is used to the pattern and gives a reward for behaviours which will likely produced dividends.. its not magic.. 
Im not cynical ... Im realistic.... dont compare reality to disney. 

mrguy888

The stalemate rule is the logical application of other chess rules.

1. It is a rule that you may not make a move that leaves your king in check.

2. It is a rule that you cannot pass.

3. To win, you must capture the king. Checkmate means that there is no avoiding the capture of the king so the game is decided there.

Now unless you change those other rules, the stalemate rule must stay the same. If you are stalemated your king cannot be captured so you cannot lose. Your opponent will not be able to capture your king since he can't make a move until you make a move, which you cannot do. 

theoreticalboy
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couchpotatoe
Monster_with_no_Name wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
ekorbdal wrote:

If your opponent can't move it's your fault. You should see it coming.


+1


strange... what twisted thinking ...

none of the resposibility is the persons who cant move...?
why is that?

why is it my responisibility to ensure you have moves and space..


 in order to win the game

common sense!!

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