Stalemate was invented by a loser

Yes but you are forced to make a move, and if you can't move legally it is should qualify stalemate is a win.

I thought about this actually. Chess.com could introduce a new game type where stale mate equals a loss. People can choose to play it or not. It wouldn’t contribute to rank and wouldn’t be tourneys. But could be interesting to see how the game evolves as a response.

That would be like adding a forfeit rule to chess. So in addition to checkmate, reducing your opponents legal moves to 0 would also be a win on the board. So this would abolish insufficient mating material, since a long king would always have the possibility of winning this way provided the opponent has a way to get stalemated, like enough pieces left to block himself in. I mean with a king and 1 knight stalemate could be forced as I showed earlier:

The initial position here wouldn't be a draw then if your definition was implemented?

Wouldn't that be the king is forced to move to a square that is in check(illegal)?

Here let me define it again for you. Stalemate is when the opponent can't move (or it will be in check) and it's an illegal move).

Yes that was my question in that post, would insufficient material be abolished since now checkmate no longer has to be possible to win the game if stalemate was also a way to win?

If at some point where insufficient material happens when the king still has moves it will be a draw. If the position was made by Nxf6 which in this position where the black king has no moves, then its a win.

WHO DID EVEN MADE STALEMATE?

Some guy from the London Chess Club

You'd have to be consequent and make it 'insufficient material to stalemate'. So a stalemate in 5 moves is as good as a mate in 5 moves.

And you'd have to see the extreme example of the lone king that manages to stalemate the whole army as equivalent to the few pieces delivering mate against a materially superior army, as part of that group of cases. That is no problem and not so hard to wrap your head around. Easier to wrap your head around than the actual rule, which claims 'chess is played for checkmate, and if you can't checkmate you missed out'. That one is the paradoxical rule. As I explained in my previous post, it is the best rule for chess, though, our 'stalemate is a draw'.

If so, the probable purpose was to give other losers something to complain about.

In the mediaeval world, the leadership of a king or prince on a battlefield was a key factor in winning or defeat. Killing the leader was often more important than defeating his soldiers. If the army had been defeated, but the king/prince/leader escaped, there was always the possibility that they could raise another army. For me the rationale of stalemate is that the side currently "winning" loses sight for a moment of the opposing king who can then slip away unnoticed to fight again.

chess is a game where towers can move, bishops and queens fight, armies consist of only sixteen soldiers, and people say stalemate should be removed "for realism"

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What do you mean hijack the thread?

ok

but stalemate is pretty rare so idk...

who cares about realism, chess was made to be a game of the mind and help people improve their mind, not to be as realistic as possible, i don't think anyone is gonna remove and century long rule just because you think it's "Not realistic" so what, you want them to remove the rook because it's a castle that moves extremly fast, or how about the knight for hopping instead of galloping

Wait what? So you're saying only if stalemate happens on the move itself it should be a win, but a 5 move forced stalemate is a draw...HUH?

So this would be a win:

But this would be a draw?

What's the logic in that?

What about this position:

Checkmate will be impossible here, but because the stalemate isn't immediate (but still inevitable) this should be a draw, but other stalemates should be a win..as long as they are immediate, but not forced??

This is the exact kind of self-contradictory and circular reasoning I warned ends up happening if you make any stalemate anything other than a draw.