Stallilng a Drawn Game for a minute to win on Time

 The NFL uses clock mangement all the time to win games and fans expect their team to win.  Yes I realize that this is not football.  People keep calling chess a sport and a big part of many sports is time.  Accept your loss with dignity.

I disagree there is anything wrong with your opponent's actions.

When you begin a game, you know the rules beforehand (this goes for any competitive activity).  That includes knowing you have only so much time in which to make your moves.  If you fall behind in time to your opponent, or if your opponent makes faster moves or plays a "better" game, why should s/he not try and win?  Is not the object of the game to win?

I've won many games because of time while at a material and/or strategic disadvantage, and I have lost many games on time while ahead of my opponent.  Either way, I knew the rules of each game when I entered them and I accepted the outcomes regardless of my position, win or lose.

I understand your level of frustration.  There are many times I wish the game had another 60 seconds because it's gotten so good and I wanted to know where it would go, but it is what it is.  The game has rules and definitions, and we play each game by those.

Why is it so hard to understand? The opponent HAD enough material to checkmate the position should not be a draw.

 could you please show me a position where the king is mated using a lone bishop and king?

The game had a lone bishop and king on one side and a king and pawn on the other.  A possible checkmate scenario is shown on the first page of this thread.  It should be noted, however, that the guy with the bishop blocked the pawn with the king and maneuvered the bishop with the intention of running out the clock according to the OP, though.

Personally, I'd be frustrated to lose like that but I wouldn't necessarily fault the other person.  To do that, I'd have to assume what the other person's motivations are and not just consider the impact to myself.  Also, there's the small matter of knowing it's a timed game to begin with, then complaining that the game was drawn due to time.

We are not talking about bishop vs king we are talking about bishop vs pawn+king and that's diffrent.Replace the pawn with a bishop or a knight(a non rook pawn can be promoted to knight or bishop to acheive checkmate once again) in case the endgame is not bishop vs rook pawn.Yes this is helpmate BUT since the side with the pawn lost on time WORST possible defense is asssumed, and worst possible defense is a loss for the side with the pawn.

Tunatin I assumed it was the same game, strictly speaking Sconsc is right, white could have promoted to a piece and then done a helpmate. However FIDE rules for times games invoke the "normal means" clause, not sure if these are built into chess.com rules for quick play.  PVMIKe has quoted similar rules that seem to be USCF?

I'm not sure these appy to blitz games, I've had similar situations on ICC playchess and fics and have never been awarded a draw in such positions.

I thought this was the whole purpose of speed chess.  Hate the stuff.

in practice you could not program the system to give an automatic draw in these types of situation, perhaps you could submit them for adjudication like with turnbased games where people go on "vacation" to avoid resigning and one can appeal to staff and get the game adjudicated?  Is it a reasonale use of site resources, I don't know, one for Erik to decide.

Please look at this game, and explain to me how winning on time in this position is in any way shape or form honorable or a rule that we want to encourage. 

I have played lots and lots of blitz chess on yahoo so I have had plenty of games where one player has more than enough mating material and the other does not.  :)  When the player with enough mating material times out then the yahoo system automatically declares it as a draw because the opponent does not have enough mating material.  :)

He can underpromote the pawn to a knight and block his king in with that.  The rules are pretty harsh when your flag falls. 

I am not a professional progammer or anything like that but my guess is that it wouldn't be too hard to teach the system to look at how much the opponent has in material before determining the result of the game.  It is probably the same difficulty if not easier than to determine 3-fold repetition or a draw by the 50 move rule.  :)

Zenchess, with good defense that position is a draw but so is this one, should this too be drawn automatically? The system has an insufficent mating material rule in place however cases such as yours and the OP's are not insufficient mating material and that's why draw's aren't awarded. Implementing an arbiter for live chess would be retarded, imagine adjourning 1 minute games.

And that's why you play with time increments.

Sconsc, in your last diagram are you talking about white running out of time or black?  If white runs out of time then it should be declared a draw because black has no way to mate white.  But if black runs out of time then by rule white is awarded a win since white has enough mating material.  :)  I know the position is a draw but I think the rule is that if you run out of time and your opponent doesn't have enough material then it is declared a draw.

No, a helpmate is still possible after underpromoting to a knight so either player could still win on time. 

3 moves repetition didn't work week ago on Live chess.com. I also had situation where I had to check the king because otherwise I would loss ("mad-rock" situation), but I had to repeat it 50 times, the same check, until I got draw from the program. Hope it is fixed now. Another suggestion to all people, don't play without time extension, specialy on internet, this is nice feature to ensure that if you even had 10 seconds until the end of the game You will win, or loss, or draw because of position on the board and not because of  stupid flag falling. Average valuable game is about 40-50 moves. 10 seconds extension + 50 moves rule + 3 times position repetition rule would be enough to prevent players from such situation.

Tunatin, even with the pawn on the f file such a helpmate should be posible.