I get it. I’m sure I’ve been suspected of stalling as well. The site should have algorithms that can determine pretty well who are offenders and who aren’t.
Stalling/quitting games… I just sat here and waited for someone to let the clock run out…
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Jul 30, 2021
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I get it. I’m sure I’ve been suspected of stalling as well. The site should have algorithms that can determine pretty well who are offenders and who aren’t.
I get it. I’m sure I’ve been suspected of stalling as well. The site should have algorithms that can determine pretty well who are offenders and who aren’t.
Jul 30, 2021
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#23
For example, it should not be hard to determine that someone has been aborting quite a bit and also playing the same color consecutively. Probably an offender.
chesstenor2018 wrote:
Kapivaro, Since there’s no option to report people who abort, I just count it as quitting.
Well you count it wrong lol
There is no need to report people who abort. Once again it is completely different from stalling. When you abort you get a message from the server asking you not to do it. If you abort a few games in a row or in a short period of time (not exactly sure how many but maybe 3 or 4) you lose the privilege and the abort button turns into a resign button. The reason there is an abort button is because sometimes the person started a game on accident or has a legit reason for not being able to play at the moment so they give you the benefit of the doubt to abort a couple of games.
chesstenor2018 wrote:
I just sat here and waited for someone to let the clock run out on one minute and 50 seconds left in a 3 minute game. 🙄
Thankfully I was watching the Olympics, so it didn’t bother me much. But this is a cool reminder to apparently many on here who are not aware that they have a recourse in these situations: the option to report people who stall/quit games. In fact, I’m sure that’s the reason so many people like to stall during games, because they don’t realize you can report them. LOL. So report, report, report them! Report the hell out of them, people, come on. I see lots of pushback when people post about opponents running the clock, that’s partly why I am posting this: apparently some need to be educated about the option to report people who stall/quit games.
Cheers!
Thankfully I was watching the Olympics, so it didn’t bother me much. But this is a cool reminder to apparently many on here who are not aware that they have a recourse in these situations: the option to report people who stall/quit games. In fact, I’m sure that’s the reason so many people like to stall during games, because they don’t realize you can report them. LOL. So report, report, report them! Report the hell out of them, people, come on. I see lots of pushback when people post about opponents running the clock, that’s partly why I am posting this: apparently some need to be educated about the option to report people who stall/quit games.
Cheers!
Yea i hate when people do this i remember this happened to me in a rapid game which sucked 😡
but luckily i was just vibing to music so I wasn’t to mad
Jul 30, 2021
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#27
Kapivarov, fair point, I stand corrected. I will no longer count aborting as quitting.
Jul 30, 2021
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#28
chesstenor2018 wrote:
Crusader, then you’re calling chess.com repugnant. They came up with the reporting category. They obviously know a lot more than us about people who stall and quit games. What’s repugnant is people who stall/quit games out of spite and/or because they only want to play one color.
I didn't call chess.com anything. I'm simply saying that stalling is subjective. It isn't more objective like abuse, cheating, etc.
Jul 30, 2021
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#29
Kapivarovskic wrote:
CrusaderKing1 wrote:
Because stalling games is subjective, I think if someone has 30 minutes then you should be prepared to sit there until their clocks run out.
I've been accused of stalling when thinking of a move, or the move after a move. If you can't handle the clock times, then play something faster.
Thinking of a move is different than stalling, my dude. Stalling is when you're in an absolutely lost position like waiting for mate in one, or down a lot of material with absolute no counterplay and instead of resigning or playing till mate people just let the clock run out to overcompensate the frustration of their micrope.nis.. i guess that somehow makes them feel better
All I know is that if I have a clock that gives me "x" time, then I can use that "x" anyway I want.
Jul 30, 2021
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#30
Crusader, and I have a reporting button I can use anyway I want… If the next move is clearly mate against you and you let the clock run for 17 minutes, you’re stalling out of spite.
Jul 30, 2021
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#31
chesstenor2018 wrote:
Crusader, and I have a reporting button I can use anyway I want… If the next move is clearly mate against you and you let the clock run for 17 minutes, you’re stalling out of spite.
You do you.
Jul 30, 2021
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#32
Dude, I’m just saying, yes you can use your time anyway you want, and if you use it to stall out of spite then that’s how you’re using it. Do you think players enjoy it when opponents stall out of spite? No. That’s why it’s nice to have a button to report them, so they can stop doing that. And if you encounter these offending opponents repeatedly, it’s nice to have the block button. So that you can block people who choose to use their time to stall out of spite.
Jul 30, 2021
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#33
chesstenor2018 wrote:
Dude, I’m just saying, yes you can use your time anyway you want, and if you use it to stall out of spite then that’s how you’re using it. Do you think players enjoy it when opponents stall out of spite? No. That’s why it’s nice to have a button to report them, so they can stop doing that. And if you encounter these offending opponents repeatedly, it’s nice to have the block button. So that you can block people who choose to use their time to stall out of spite.
I usually have more problems with the people claiming that Im taking too long for them to move and then intimidate by saying they'll report, pressuring quicker moves. That's why it's a subjective rule, and can cause as much or more annoyances than it prohibits. I'm just saying do what you want. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise, just sharing personal experiences.
Jul 30, 2021
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#34
chesstenor2018 wrote:
Kapivaro, Since there’s no option to report people who abort, I just count it as quitting.
I never find aborting to be much of a problem because it happens at the start of the game, the abandoning games is more annoying to me
Jul 30, 2021
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#35
I get that it can be frustrating, but I really don’t see a basis to complain of your opponent chooses to run out his clock with a time limit you agreed to play. If you don’t like it, block that player.
CrusaderKing1 wrote:
Kapivarovskic wrote:
CrusaderKing1 wrote:
Because stalling games is subjective, I think if someone has 30 minutes then you should be prepared to sit there until their clocks run out.
I've been accused of stalling when thinking of a move, or the move after a move. If you can't handle the clock times, then play something faster.
Thinking of a move is different than stalling, my dude. Stalling is when you're in an absolutely lost position like waiting for mate in one, or down a lot of material with absolute no counterplay and instead of resigning or playing till mate people just let the clock run out to overcompensate the frustration of their micrope.nis.. i guess that somehow makes them feel better
All I know is that if I have a clock that gives me "x" time, then I can use that "x" anyway I want.
Lmao triggered
You shouldn't be proud of that g
Jul 31, 2021
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#37
Kapivarovskic wrote:
CrusaderKing1 wrote:
Kapivarovskic wrote:
CrusaderKing1 wrote:
Because stalling games is subjective, I think if someone has 30 minutes then you should be prepared to sit there until their clocks run out.
I've been accused of stalling when thinking of a move, or the move after a move. If you can't handle the clock times, then play something faster.
Thinking of a move is different than stalling, my dude. Stalling is when you're in an absolutely lost position like waiting for mate in one, or down a lot of material with absolute no counterplay and instead of resigning or playing till mate people just let the clock run out to overcompensate the frustration of their micrope.nis.. i guess that somehow makes them feel better
All I know is that if I have a clock that gives me "x" time, then I can use that "x" anyway I want.
Lmao triggered
You shouldn't be proud of that g
I don't stall. But if I have 10 minutes, expect me to use all 10 minutes as I see fit.
Jul 31, 2021
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#38
chesstenor2018 wrote:
I just sat here and waited for someone to let the clock run out on one minute and 50 seconds left in a 3 minute game. 🙄
Thankfully I was watching the Olympics, so it didn’t bother me much. But this is a cool reminder to apparently many on here who are not aware that they have a recourse in these situations: the option to report people who stall/quit games. In fact, I’m sure that’s the reason so many people like to stall during games, because they don’t realize you can report them. LOL. So report, report, report them! Report the hell out of them, people, come on. I see lots of pushback when people post about opponents running the clock, that’s partly why I am posting this: apparently some need to be educated about the option to report people who stall/quit games.
Cheers!
Thankfully I was watching the Olympics, so it didn’t bother me much. But this is a cool reminder to apparently many on here who are not aware that they have a recourse in these situations: the option to report people who stall/quit games. In fact, I’m sure that’s the reason so many people like to stall during games, because they don’t realize you can report them. LOL. So report, report, report them! Report the hell out of them, people, come on. I see lots of pushback when people post about opponents running the clock, that’s partly why I am posting this: apparently some need to be educated about the option to report people who stall/quit games.
Cheers!
Jul 31, 2021
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#39
melvinbluestone wrote:
CrusaderKing1 wrote:
Kapivarovskic wrote:
CrusaderKing1 wrote:
Kapivarovskic wrote:
CrusaderKing1 wrote:
Because stalling games is subjective, I think if someone has 30 minutes then you should be prepared to sit there until their clocks run out.
I've been accused of stalling when thinking of a move, or the move after a move. If you can't handle the clock times, then play something faster.
Thinking of a move is different than stalling, my dude. Stalling is when you're in an absolutely lost position like waiting for mate in one, or down a lot of material with absolute no counterplay and instead of resigning or playing till mate people just let the clock run out to overcompensate the frustration of their micrope.nis.. i guess that somehow makes them feel better
All I know is that if I have a clock that gives me "x" time, then I can use that "x" anyway I want.
Lmao triggered
You shouldn't be proud of that g
I don't stall. But if I have 10 minutes, expect me to use all 10 minutes as I see fit.
Chess.com likes to think they can read the minds and intents of their members. They like to think they can create algorithms that can detect whether a player is thinking about a move, or they went to change their baby's diaper. They like to think they can write software that can determine if a player is stalling or went to answer the doorbell. They like to think that anyone playing a chess game can't possibly have anything else going on their lives that can take them away from the game. Well, of course they're wrong. When someone plays a game, they should be prepared for their opponent using all of their allotted time, regardless of the positions that arise in the game.
We all know what this is about. It is about human nature at it's lowest level: taking pleasure in destroying another human being. Delivering that crushing blow of a move that totally humiliates your opponent. And then whining and moaning when you don't get that opportunity and your opponent's clock runs out.
And we all know what Chess.com is about. It is about membership on the website, and keeping that number up. And since a sufficient number of malcontents complain and gripe about having to wait for their opponents to move, they've come up with some kind of a system to curb this phenomenon. The simple fact is there are a lot whiners and crybabies out there who flip out when they don't get their chance to squash their opponent like a bug. There are far less mature, civilized folks who just shine it on when they have to wait for a clock to run out, and don't complain, and just go to the next game. And Chess.com, of course, has to satisfy that big bunch of complainers, so they tell people to "report". After all, the website is a business, and they don't want to lose customers, no matter how foolish and childish they may behave.
You make some good points. I think their algorithms for catching stalling can't be very objective, as it's impossible to know what's happening with the person who is playing the game...could be changing a diaper as you said for all they know. That's what makes stalling extremely difficult to be reportable. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
The cheating algorithm is supposedly accurate, and I do think for the time being that's an accurate statement. But I think it crosses the line when you think you can spot "stallers", as that's not really possible.
Vlandian_Knight wrote:
eliothowell wrote:
In a thirty minute game, my opponent had only one possible move and then my next move would deliver mate. I had to wait for seventeen minutes ! That's poor sportsmanship and just a plain sore loser. Shame on him.
Perhaps they were really trying to find a way out? Stressing, pulling their hair out (that all takes time).
OTB I have gone into long thinks in obviously lost positions. Sometimes I end up resigning, sometimes I play for complications (winning some of those games). Sometimes I discover that the obvious loss is not actually a loss because of unusual tactical resources and I draw or win even against best play.
Please don't have analysis of complicated positions lumped in with unjustifiable stalling when facing an unstoppable mate in one (US Chess actually has rule 18G1 to deal with cases of true stalling).
I've come across players that quit because they don't get white, and a bit of stalling, but no horror stories yet. Some of my longest moves might be thought of as stalling, but I was flustered or thinking and checking. My wife (new to the game) has come across more stalling, and I'm not sure why...