Hint #2
His study that won the first prize from Schweizerische Schachzeitung in 1923
Draw
Started in Chess at 40, and Became a Chess Master
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Possible but significantly improbable.
Jun 12, 2019
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#24
SeniorPatzer wrote:
Possible but significantly improbable.
I hate statistics.....
SeniorPatzer wrote:
Possible but significantly improbable.
Hi Daniel, do you mean Draw in the previous study, or becoming a Master after learning chess at 40?
Jun 12, 2019
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#26
I suppose it's possible, although unlikely - so, Who Knows? It would be interesting to read about someone who did accomplish this.
PawnstormPossie wrote:
Not a historian by far.
Wild guess...
Gruenfeld?
Just checked online, Wiki says Ernst was born in 1893. It also says this,
"He lost a leg in his early childhood, which was beset by poverty. However, he discovered chess, studied intensely, and quickly earned a reputation as a skilled player at the local chess club, the Wiener Schach-Klub.
"The First World War (1914–18) seriously affected Grünfeld's chances of playing the best in the world..."
Wow, didn't know he was THAT good. Still a little calc would tell us all that was before 40
dfgh123 wrote:
RoaringPawn wrote:
Dr.Lasker said, give me an average young man and I would take them to the Master level in 200 hours.
You had to win one third of your games in a tournament to be a master back then.
😁. I don't think Lasker was discussing the DSB meisterdrittel in that particular instance!!! Also the idea that people are incapable of assimilating new concepts after the age of 40 is rather silly. No, I don't know who @RoaringPawn is thinking of. Interesting question!!
m_connors wrote:
I suppose it's possible, although unlikely - so, Who Knows? It would be interesting to read about someone who did accomplish this.
Thanks @m_connors.
Actually I wrote an article on him years ago, but that site is defunct now
Will try to write something again, or better yet, we may leave it to @simaginfan or @kamalakanta who are much, much better in history than me
simaginfan wrote:
dfgh123 wrote:
RoaringPawn wrote:
Dr.Lasker said, give me an average young man and I would take them to the Master level in 200 hours.
You had to win one third of your games in a tournament to be a master back then.
😁. I don't think Lasker was discussing the DSB meisterdrittel in that particular instance!!! Also the idea that people are incapable of assimilating new concepts after the age of 40 is rather silly. No, I don't know who @RoaringPawn is thinking of. Interesting question!!
Hey mate, great to see you here!
How's things?
Yes, amazing thing to take chess up at 40 and become a master.
I gave two hints so far, in #22 you can even recognize Marcel Duchamp, not the person being looked for, of course
Jun 12, 2019
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#32
RoaringPawn wrote:
m_connors wrote:
I suppose it's possible, although unlikely - so, Who Knows? It would be interesting to read about someone who did accomplish this.
Thanks @m_connors.
Actually I wrote an article on him years ago, but that site is defunct now
Will try to write something again, or better yet, we may leave it to @simaginfan or @kamalakanta who are much, much better in history than me
Simaginfan and Batgirl are the best... I am not very good at it.....
kamalakanta wrote:
We need more of this, and less numbers.....
Absolutely, music of spheres. Do chessmen emit vibrations too?
Jun 12, 2019
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WitchA wrote:
No, from around the age of 25 onwards, cognitive decline begins to set in. It becomes impossible to form new neural networks and existing ones deteriorate. White matter in the brain turns to black and the myelin that facilitates electric signals to travel across neurons breaks apart. It’s estimated that a 40 year old iq of 100 is equal to a 20 year old iq of 80.
A 40 year old doesn’t have the ability to learn anything new beyond the very basics. If you had a rudimentary understanding of neuroscience, you’d realize how ludicrous your question is. It’s practically equivalent to asking if it’s possible for a chimpanzee to become a chess master.
A 40 year old doesn’t have the ability to learn anything new beyond the very basics. If you had a rudimentary understanding of neuroscience, you’d realize how ludicrous your question is. It’s practically equivalent to asking if it’s possible for a chimpanzee to become a chess master.
Wow. That's a bit misguided..........................
Jun 12, 2019
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#36
Morphys-Revenge wrote:
WitchA wrote:
No, from around the age of 25 onwards, cognitive decline begins to set in. It becomes impossible to form new neural networks and existing ones deteriorate. White matter in the brain turns to black and the myelin that facilitates electric signals to travel across neurons breaks apart. It’s estimated that a 40 year old iq of 100 is equal to a 20 year old iq of 80.
A 40 year old doesn’t have the ability to learn anything new beyond the very basics. If you had a rudimentary understanding of neuroscience, you’d realize how ludicrous your question is. It’s practically equivalent to asking if it’s possible for a chimpanzee to become a chess master.
A 40 year old doesn’t have the ability to learn anything new beyond the very basics. If you had a rudimentary understanding of neuroscience, you’d realize how ludicrous your question is. It’s practically equivalent to asking if it’s possible for a chimpanzee to become a chess master.
Speak for yourself........
https://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml?ina=1&country=MNE
I guess if you started at 40 then by the time you are 48.
About 7/14 of Montenegro's best players are in this range.
So I would conclude possible but I have no knowledge of those 7 (like when they started) and how many players are in the Montenegro's National Tournament.
Once you are FM (2300) or IM (2400) or GM (2500) then not only the openings you play but the lines you play are known to your opponents and of course you have to know theirs.
Note Montenegro's best are broadly IM's.
Personally I found 2200 was too much for me in my 20's let alone the 2350 bottom range of Montenegro.
Also never forget these are over the board, where games are 3 hrs to 5 hrs approx.
Rat1960 wrote:
https://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml?ina=1&country=MNE
I guess if you started at 40 then by the time you are 48.
About 7/14 of Montenegro's best players are in this range.
So I would conclude possible but I have no knowledge of those 7 (like when they started) and how many players are in the Montenegro's National Tournament.
Once you are FM (2300) or IM (2400) or GM (2500) then not only the openings you play but the lines you play are known to your opponents and of course you have to know theirs.
Note Montenegro's best are broadly IM's.
Personally I found 2200 was too much for me in my 20's let alone the 2350 bottom range of Montenegro.
Also never forget these are over the board, where games are 3 hrs to 5 hrs approx.
Hi, thanks for commenting.
It is true that Montenegro has 71 chess Masters (I ran stats in 2016), or, by extrapolation, 113 per million population, the second biggest "Master density" in the World after Iceland with the same number of Masters and twice many density.
But the mysterious after-40 guy isn't from Montenegro, I'm afraid. He's coming from a big chess nation, with one super GM among the top ten.
You can tell the nation from the photo I posted in comment #22
photo L'Echiquier 19??
So, for now, certain players have captured my heart with their humanity.....Bonstein, Tal, Gufeld, Keres, to name a few....Tartakower.....what can I say?