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All_Exceed · 2016-02-22T08:19:36-08:00

Hello lovely Chess.com members! I am nearly 16 yr old and thinking of going for my first rated tournament at the end of this year or so. As I am thinking to studying Chess seriously for next 9-10 months seriously, I have decided to create a study plan or hire a coach. Here are some of my questions w

thegreat_patzer

Feb 22, 2016

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#21

@ Jengaias.

I study ALOT on my own. my coach likes it and encourages it. perhaps with other people he would make a study plan, but I let him know I HAD one and liked it.

I study endgames because I LOSE in the endgame. if you lose because of something it makes sense to sutdy it.

I don't agree that na "online coach " is for those that have no time or are lazy. I value what my online coach (who is considerably better than I am) at chess. in FACT, I've noticed that there's NO magic in having an online coach WITHOUT the study. Studying what the coach says is absolutely neccesary for improvement

so this is not about NOT studying.

I don't agree that you need the BEST player to be a coach. you need a coach you have faith in, one you understand, and one who has a proven record of strong understanding of chess. then again at 4x I'm not going to ever be a gm , so I Don't need a gm. my coach is a strong player with a proven rating from the phillipines. I like him, he likes me, and I have gotten instructive things from his lessons...

the last thought is just Silly. ALL of the top 10 players have coaches - and sometimes getting a new one has made real improvement in a player.

IN FACT, top 10 players often have coaches that are have less rating than them. as you know Rating Isn't knowledge and many top gm coaches are lifetime students of the game.

of course you retort these are "real coaches" and not online. ok. fine. I agree OTB coaches are better. OTB chess is better!!

but not everyone can find a OTB coach. you probably can't become a world class player, playing chess sites and and online coach.

but you can get better at chess doing both. espacially if otb competition is too far to drive (which by the way MIGHT be a big problem for a 16year old kid)

RookSacrifice_OLD

Feb 22, 2016

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#22

jengaias wrote:

On line coaches are mostly for people that have no time or are too lazy to study by themselves.A good study program can offer you most of the knowledge you need and way faster.Even if after that you would need a coach , you would need only the best and who is the best?People that have created titled players and these people usually are teaching in chess clubs and not on line.Sorry if I dissapoint you but I don't believe any good player ever relied on an on-line coach , can you show me one?

Most incorrect statement possible. Many master and expert level players learn from IMs/GMs online.

X_PLAYER_J_X

Feb 22, 2016

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#23

Outrageous!

Jengaias proves once again his stupidity.

IM ChessTrener has been coaching for over 8 years.

You do realize what IM stands for right?

A Chess Killer!

He would go to your local chess club and destroy everyone in there you bird brain.

I bet your little local chess club which you keep advocating is the best way to learn over a chess coach doesn't even know what an IM looks like!

Jenium

Feb 22, 2016

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#24

thegreat_patzer wrote:

I think if the op has decided to give a coach a try; and said coach has contacted him and there is an apparent agreement it would practically be rude to giving the op alot of advice on how to further improve.

no offense, op but you should" respect your coach", if you've truly decided to be his pupil. you should seek information from him and strive to follow his instructions to the letter.

It is rude to answer the questions of a chess player who asks for advice??

It is disrespectful if that player does not ONLY rely on one coach, but tries to get information from different places??

Sorry mate, but maybe you should revaluate your relation to learning. In fact, I wouldn't trust a coach who would not encourage me to gain information from other sources too.

Pawnfork2

Feb 22, 2016

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Complicated. So many ways to go wrong. You can pick books that can do you no good because they are too easy, too hard, the wrong style or just plain ignorant. Same goes for teachers, regardless of how high above you they are rated. To find a teacher or a book that really gets through to you is a rare gem.

At the same time, if you rely on people, there will be social expectations on the part of the people involved. Some people will be ok with you asking around. Others may treat you like a jilted lover if you ask random people for advice. If you enter into an extended relatiotoinship with a mentor, try to get a feeling for what will offend them.

I remember there was a guy around here called Drac from his picture who one day informed us he wo0uld have to go soon & he wanted to find an apprentice he thought he could coherently teach his method to. Probably possessive. On the other hand I remember how the great Sammy Reshevsky took out an ad in the back of Chess Life and was delighted to share his opinion with as many people as he could & I got the impression he didn't much care what else you did. Know your mentor!

thegreat_patzer

Feb 22, 2016

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#26

@jenium. I want to go on the record for saying I DON'T mind anybody asking for advice (or anyone Giving advice).

I realize I was off in saying that. what I meant, is that if you found a coach you should have faith in his advice. I remember a thread a little while ago, where a guy wanted to ask if his chess coach was right.

this isn't the same kind of situation. there's nothing wrong with answering the OP's question.

In fact , personally Asking for advice and taking charge of my Own improvement is a big part of my improvement plan. my own coach is very comfortable with this.

I also don't want to argue with anyone , espacially jengaias about chess improvement. I'm not particularly high rated and I haven't improved much. I have my own ideas , mostly from a LOT of reading, about how to improve. but its all an a personal opinion on what sounds right.

... so peace. most of the time I lurk and don't say alot. today, I think I should've done more lurking and less talking. I wish the OP the best of luck getting good answers to his questions...

All_Exceed

Feb 22, 2016

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#27

Thank you everyone whoever replied to this thread and left your precious tips and thoughts here! Really appreciated. Its true thar whenever someone posts such stiffs asking for advice they are bond to get suggestions which contradicts to the others.

SaintGermain32105

Feb 22, 2016

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#28

The human voice is in a constant state of change and development just as the whole body is in a state of constant change. A human voice will alter as a person gets older moving from immaturity to maturity to a peak period of prime singing and then ultimately into a declining period. The vocal range and timbre of children's voices does not have the variety that adults' voices have. Both boys and girls prior to puberty have an equivalent vocal range and timbre. The reason for this is that both groups have a similar larynx size and height and a similar vocal cord structure. With the onset of puberty, both men and women's voices alter as the vocal ligaments become more defined and the laryngeal cartilages harden. The laryngeal structure of both voices change but more so in men. The height of the male larynx becomes much longer than in women. The size and development of adult lungs also changes what the voice is physically capable of doing. From the onset of puberty to approximately age 22, the human voice is in an in-between phase where it is not quite a child's voice nor an adult one yet. This is not to suggest that the voice stops changing at that age. Different singers will reach adult development earlier or later than others, and as stated above there are continual changes throughout adulthood as well.

Same can be said for any other human activity, as well as chess. So in my opinion this is nonsense, no coach can predict the final outcome and must not be too rigid in its teachings. That does not mean it will be less succesfull if he is, it just means he is building initially all too many walls instead of building bridges. So, to make the story short, there's no such thing as a comfortable coach, or even worse, the one that strives to make a copy of himself.

Jenium

Feb 23, 2016

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#29

@ thegreat_patzer: Sorry mate. Didn't mean to be so harsh to you... :-)

Wantobegm

Feb 23, 2016

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#30

Personally I suggest IM Atilla Turzo or FM Jackvino. Both are good coach and fees are affordable

X_PLAYER_J_X

Feb 24, 2016

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#31

Well actually thegreat_patzer has some merit in his post.

I don't agree with all of what he said.

However, I do think some of what he said follows in the spirit of what is going on in this forum.

Take the following sentence from thegreat_patzer

No offense, op but you should "respect your coach", if you've truly decided to be his pupil.

I have read the entire forum and it seems to me as if the OP has not fully gotten himself a coach yet!

It seems as if All_Exceed has been hinting at the idea of getting a coach and has gone as far as to contact one.

However, no real deal or arrangement seems to have been made as of yet.

You have to respect your coach and make a decision.

Wasting another person time is considered rude!

Where I come from people call what the OP is doing "pussy footing the situation."

Which is considered a female reaction were I come from.

Either go full throttle and get a coach

or

Go full throttle and not get a coach

If the OP is female than I completely understand!

However, if the OP is a straight male than I believe you need to learn:

Man Code Rule # 3 - Grow some balls and make a decision!

It can be a right decision

or

It can be a wrong decision

However, It is a decision nonetheless!

As a straight male you will always have to make a decision.

If the decision is tough than you say nothing and wait until you can make a decision.

You have to pick a side.

This is what you are doing the below:

Yes I want a coach. No I don't want a coach. Yes I do. No I don't. Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know.

Your on the fence!

Bad!

You say nothing to no one!

You contact no one!

Until you are able to pick one and have the means to follow through with the decision!

Which means if you say "Yes I want a coach. Than you make sure you have the money yourself to pay for it".

The only males who are on the fence are gay males or kids.

Gay males are on the fence because they like being on poles.

Kids are on the fence because there balls have not dropped yet for them to make a decision.

You are 16 in some parts of the world you are considered an adult.

In mexico you are considered an adult in there eyes.

You could get married at this age in mexico for example.

Not saying you should get married!

I am just making the point that you really are entering the phase of your life were you can't rely on saying you are a "kid" anymore.

In the USA you are considered an adult at the age of 18 which is in 2 years.

The reason I am telling you this is because you have to be extremely careful on what you say!

Being on the fence can get you sued in some situation's.

You have be extremely careful!

When you reach 18 for example what you say can be seen as a verbal contract!

If you start going on the fence after doing a verbal contract! It makes it seem like you are backing out of the contract!

They can sue you! An not only can they sue you, but they can win!

They have a high chance of winning!

If you are a straight male being on the fence never ever pays!

Never ever do it!

If you are female or something than I don't know what advice to give you.

Check out female codes!

I only know man codes because I am a man!

Do you understand?

The sooner you realize this the better your life will be!

Especially when you start dating!

Take the following real life event scenerio as a reference:

Male version of this scenerio(Me): Baby, where do you want to eat at?

Female verision of this scenerio: I don't know!

Male version of this scenerio(Me): Well dear there is taco bell, wendy's, micky D's, burger king, or we can go to one of those resturants to sit and eat if you want too. I don't mind. We can eat any where you want too.

Female verision of this scenerio: I don't know which one to pick.

Male version of this scenerio(Me): Okay! Well in that case lets go to Taco Bell! "The decision"

It took me literaly half a second to do this decision!

Female verision of this scenerio: I don't want to eat at Taco bell!

Male version of this scenerio(Me): Well baby we don't have to eat at Taco Bell!

We can eat anywhere you want to eat at.

I will drive the vehicle towards Taco Bell.

However, as soon as you tell me your decision on were you want to eat at.

I will do a U-Turn immediately in that direction!

Than we can eat there!

Female verision of this scenerio: What happens if I can't make a decision?

Male version of this scenerio(Me): Well if you can't make a decision than we will arrive at the Taco Bell parking lot.

At which point you can than think about where to eat at while looking at the new food items on the Taco Bell windows!

Furthermore, They might have something on there window you might want to try! At which point if you do try it and don't like it.

Than you would be right!

I would be wrong for suggesting eating at taco bell.

Female verision of this scenerio: Okay, Lets eat at Taco Bell!

Now the question!

Did she finally make a decision to eat at Taco Bell?

The Answer: NO!!!!!

She avoided the decision!

She doesn't give a damn about the new window items on Taco Bell!

She still doesn't know where to eat at till this day!

She will never know where she wanted to eat at.

The reason she agreed to eat at taco bell was so that she can be right and you can be wrong!

She didn't make a decision on where to eat at.

I did!

However, she did make a decision on where she didn't want to eat at.

An now she has a chance to prove my suggestion wrong.

Once she eats her meal 99% of the time it will be terrible.

You will respond with the following statement:

When she says "Oh the food tasted bad!"

You will say " Yes, dear you were right! I was wrong. We shouldn't of ate there. What was I thinking?"

You have to do this!

It is part of man code!

Man Code Rule # 1 - Women are always right. You are always wrong!

Man Code Rule # 2 - If a women is every wrong. Revert back to rule #1.

What happens if you violate these rules?

Than women will do what millions of years of evolution has trained them to do!

They will annoy you & make you feel like pulling your hair out!

Lastly, I want to point out the whole above scenerio that I played out took a total 10 mins.

We was at the threater at the time! Decising what to eat after the movie ended.

It took 9 mins for the travel from the Threater to Taco Bell.

It took 1 min for the conversation toward Taco Bell.

If I had violated Man Code Rule # 3 - Grow some balls and make a decision!

I would of been at the threater until I snapped!

or if you are in a similiar situation.

You will be there until you snap which every male has different snapping points.

Some men are more patient than others.

They might wait there until starvation sets in before snapping.

If I had not made the decision she would of been there forever struggling to make a decision.

Women often do not have the high testosterone levels, they are not born with balls, and they often do not have the clout.

If you think they are going to respond with " We are eating at Wendy's Bish because Wendy has red hair like me"

Than you are an idiot!

Who deserves to starve to death!

Bascially that is what happens if you violate Man Code Rule # 3.

If you violate Man Code Rule # 1.

Than she will make a big agruement about it.

The problem is men are handicap when it comes to agruing!

Men try to make there agruements logical!

Women don't care if there agruements are logical or illogical as long as they are proven right!

She will drag the conversation down to an illogical level and beat you down with experince!

This is how it will play out:

She has just turned to you and said the following thing:

"Oh the food tasted bad!"

Man Code Rule # 1 - Women are always right. You are always wrong!

To follow man code you will say " Yes, dear you were right! I was wrong. We shouldn't of ate there. What was I thinking?"

The situation could of been avoided if you had said that, but no you decided not to say that!

Instead you brushed what she said off or dismissed it!

You have just opened the door up to World War 1 population you bro!

Oh in her mind she was eating there so you could tell her she was right if the food was bad and now you didn't.

Oh you son of a bish you are going to pay!

The start of World War 1:

Female response: I didn't want to eat there!

Male response: Well we could of ate anywhere you wanted, but you didn't tell me.

Oh look at that typical logical male response! Doesn't even realize he is lost already.

Here comes the Illogical part. Oh its epic!

Female response: You are so selfish always thinking of yourself. You wanted to eat at taco bell. You didn't even put the toilet seat down for me the other day because you are so selfish!

The illogical part is stuff she throws in which has nothing to do with what happened! It is complete seperate. However, it is fuel for the rage. Go baby Go! Tell him about all and forgotten promises he did to you in 1975. Oh Yeah!

Male response: Wait what?

He doesn't understand because it is no longer logical!

He is so doomed.

It is all over already she is crushing him!

She has dragged him down to an illogical level and he is confused!

The stupid moron!

Now here comes the experince.

Oh she is going to beat him down with the experince!

Oh its epic!

Female response: My mother warned me about you! All my friends told me you was no good. I didn't listen to them. You have ruined the best years of my life!

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHA

You baster! You have ruined the best years of her life!

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHHAHA

Awesome!

The funny part is the guy doesn't even know what he did wrong!

He is standing there struggling to remember when he left the toilet seat up!

He doesn't even remember the day.

HAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHHHA

Priceless!

thegreat_patzer

Feb 24, 2016

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#32

Bonjour MrX,

I have had some discussions with the op. He IS interested in getting a coach. He HAS made some contacts. he just wants to look very carefully.

Nothing wrong with that.

IM ChessTrener

Feb 25, 2016

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#33

You can search coach of course. You can contack with many coaches... Thats is your right before decide. But to ask discount, couch to give you discount than you deal for all details and you confirm... And simple after that you dont respect nothing thats is not ok... After that when i write message i stop anymore work becouse he dont respect deal than he write me message with bad words.... So this is my last post and last contact with this player. Tnx for his good words for me and in future when he search coach pls respect what you will deal.

All_Exceed

Feb 25, 2016

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#34

ChessTrener wrote:

You can search coach of course. You can contack with many coaches... Thats is your right before decide. But to ask discount, couch to give you discount than you deal for all details and you confirm... And simple after that you dont respect nothing thats is not ok... After that when i write message i stop anymore work becouse he dont respect deal than he write me message with bad words.... So this is my last post and last contact with this player. Tnx for his good words for me and in future when he search coach pls respect what you will deal.

Well I stated the reason of inactivity was exams. And why were you getting grumpy in that PM? I told ya taking coaching from you once mt exams done... didnt you get it? Anyways sorry if I hurt you(apparently idk when I did it but its fine).

IM ChessTrener

Feb 25, 2016

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#35

Hahaha. You can write here what you whant... And I will dont reply anymore... But you wrote and search for discount i give to you, you was happy and search pay pal and confirm until friday payment and we start... You give word... Of course you can cancell but to write message and to inform... You dont write nothing.... So not be smart pls. You can write now everything. I will just wish you all the best and not make same child things to your coach.

X_PLAYER_J_X

Feb 26, 2016

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#36

thegreat_patzer wrote:

Bonjour MrX,

I have had some discussions with the op. He IS interested in getting a coach. He HAS made some contacts. he just wants to look very carefully.

Nothing wrong with that.

I disagree.

This is not Wal-Mart lol.

This is chess.com.

At Wal-Mart you can shop around than put an item in your cart.

Once you have finished putting the item in your cart you can than go to the check out stand.

Right before they ring you up you can than decide to leave the line and put all your stuff back on the shelf were you got them from and leave the store.

You can tell the items you were fixing to buy that you will come back after exams in March to buy them.

thegreat_patzer

Feb 26, 2016

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#37

Hello Mr X.

how was your friday, then? anyways, the op has moved on and that IS a fact.

I had a good deal of anxiety about my first coach (and I'm actually happily learning from my second one).

how do I know if they will be instructive? how will I know if they will be honest? how do I even know if they aren't just telling me BS and running a chess engine?

I didn't go to walmart, finger all the produce then change my mind. but I did take a cautious approach. you know the funny thing about money is that when it is GONE you always wonder if you got the best deal.

I suppose they call this buyers remorse.

anyways, I'm beyond these concerns with my current coach. but I did have them, and I understand and sympthize with those that feel the same way.

X_PLAYER_J_X

Feb 26, 2016

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#38

thegreat_patzer wrote:

Hello Mr X.

how was your friday, then? anyways, the op has moved on and that IS a fact.

I had a good deal of anxiety about my first coach (and I'm actually happily learning from my second one).

how do I know if they will be instructive? how will I know if they will be honest? how do I even know if they aren't just telling me BS and running a chess engine?

I didn't go to walmart, finger all the produce then change my mind. but I did take a cautious approach. you know the funny thing about money is that when it is GONE you always wonder if you got the best deal.

I suppose they call this buyers remorse.

anyways, I'm beyond these concerns with my current coach. but I did have them, and I understand and sympthize with those that feel the same way.

HA HA

Indeed lol I hate it when it is GONE lol.